Leiberman Victory Could Spell Beginning of DNC Implosion

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As Connecticut's Senatorial race begins to heat up, the possibility of a Joe Leiberman victory is looming large. A Leiberman victory would be the ultimate slap in the face to Soros and the radical left "shadow party" that are trying to hijack the Democratic Party and chase the moderates (such as Leiberman) away.

A Leiberman victory would mean a Senatorial seat that will go to an Independent, and not to a Democrat. To a party trying to regain seats in November's election, this would be a loss, because it would be a seat given up to the party's extreme arrogance and exclusive mentality. Ironically, as they accuse the GOP and Bush of a "you're either with us or against us" mentality, the same mentality has cast a man who was only 6 short years ago the party's VP candidate out of the Democratic Party. And while he could switch his affiliation once elected, it seems unlikely that Leiberman, a sane man by most accounts, would do so to the party that so cruelly betrayed him after years of faithful service.

The Democrats may have been handed a seat in the US house, with Delay's removal of his name from the ballot (but don't count the Libertarian candidate out yet!). But in a move that shows extremely lousy foresight, they have simply handed away a seat in the Senate, a move that could very well cost them dearly come November. Whether this is a sign of a larger DNC implosion or not is hard to say, but I would not be putting the early money on the Dems to regain the White House two years hence.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
But won't Lieberman's presence on the ballot split the Dem (or heck, the Republican also) voting? I mean, Ross Perot's presence on the '92 ballot resulted in a Clinton plurality, and splitting the Minnesota '98 gubernatorial ballot resulted in four years of Jesse Ventura.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
But won't Lieberman's presence on the ballot split the Dem (or heck, the Republican also) voting?


From all accounts, the Republican's not well liked, and Leiberman is a moderate who's capable of drawing moderate Republican votes...especially when he doesn't have that "D" attached to his name. And let's not rule out the possibility of "buyer's remorse" on the part of a few primary voters, or the appearance of saner Democrats at the polls in November. He's leading in all the polls that show the three candidates head to head.

We'll see what gives, though.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am reminded of Bush (warding sign for libs) support of moderate Republicans.  And then this.

06 may be a loss for the republicans.  But it will be a bigger loss for the democrats.  I hope 2 year control is their cup of tea.  Lieberman is no moderate, but he is not a loony leftist either.  And that will be their Waterloo.

I dont think Lieberman will Caucus with the Republicans.  But it will mean that many moderate democrats will think twice about running in Red States.  And there are a lot more of them, than blues.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lieberman is planning, at least according to what I've read, to continue working with the Democrats if he does win his seat back. I'm not sure that means he plans to continue caucusing with them or not, but I have to expect the Democrats will extend some sort of olive branch and do their best to keep him from going over to the evil other side.

As if my own articles on the subject don't give my position away, I'll make it clear, I hope to god that Lieberman wins the election and makes it a stunning defeat for Lamont and the rest of the loony far liberal left. Until the Democrat party learns their lesson a few dozen more times it seems clear that they will continue to welcome in the fringes in much the same way that (sadly) my party welcomes some of the fringe on the right. Actually they are worse at it as they go well out of their way to court such loons, thinking that the likes of Soros, Michael Moore, and their friends in Hollywood will somehow help them win it all.

Dr. Guy says above that Lieberman is no moderate, but compared to the rest of the Democrats in the congress, he's a friggin' righty himself. When you compare him to the likes of Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, and Pelosi, he's a full-on moderate.

Given the alternative, I'd rather Lieberman win it all in a landslide. But then again, perhaps some of what else Dr. Guy said above is true -- let the Democrats win it all for a few year and let them try running things for a while. It failed them badly in 2000 (even with the help of Jumpin' Jim Jeffords giving them control for a while) and it would probably do it again as they really don't have any idea what to do if they did take power. They aren't ready to go from obstructionists to activists on anything. The only thing they can do lately is cry over a lack of power they aren't ready for.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dr. Guy says above that Lieberman is no moderate, but compared to the rest of the Democrats in the congress, he's a friggin' righty himself.

Colbert referred to Lieberman as "my favorite Republican".
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

Colbert referred to Lieberman as "my favorite Republican".

He is supposed to be funny?

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
you are assuming Leiberman will win on Nov.

I am personally tied of his arrogance and his full support of this mess we are in. I live in hartford,
and I am going to make certain my vote goes for anyone BUT HIM this Nov.

Hes got this cocky demeanor like he OWNS the senatorial seat. Heres one vote against him come Nov. And I know a lot of people who feel the same way.

We need new faces, new people new ideas this election year
out with the old in with the new
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
and I am going to make certain my vote goes for anyone BUT HIM this Nov.


You're not an independent, you're an anti-incumbent. There's a difference.

The idea of voting AGAINST someone in an election is pretty absurd. While I'm not a huge fan of Leiberman's, he does seem one of the less objectionable candidates. His Democratic opponent is exactly what independents have long claimed is wrong with politics: a billionaire buying his way into office. Worse, he is a billionaire with George Soros pulling the puppet strings. Rest assured, if Soros wins office this November (as he will if Lamont is elected), he will yank power from Lamont as quickly as he gave it if Lamont doesn't do EXACTLY as he, Soros, an UNELECTED individual, dictates. That's the lesson of Leiberman, a lesson I believe Lamont learned well.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
>His Democratic opponent is exactly what independents have long claimed is wrong with politics: a
>billionaire buying his way into office

He earned it so what?
How is he different from
Bush?
Frist?
Delay?
etc
etc

Hell, even NY's mayor funds his own campaigns ... nothing wrong with that if you have the money and
earned it. Truth is I trust someone using their own money than someone using PAC money ... too many
masters to serve.

All the money in the world and all the positive ads on tv will not make me vote for you ...

btw Gideon, your bias is all too apparent. you support the hosts of fools who support lieberman
financially. the same ones currently dictating foreign policy, driving us to debt.

That mess will come to an end this November. I am about to do what I have NEVER done in my life, go
out and ACTIVELY support a politician to get the word out.

I dont care if a lemming runs ... it will be better than lieberman

Drive down to hartford and get the feel of the place ... youll see the mood we are all in.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
complete replacement of any incumbent ... even if my shoe has to run
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
complete replacement of any incumbent ... even if my shoe has to run


Frankly, if George Soros wins multiple Senate seats (if Lamont wins, he will have won at least one), it is a frightening process that should concern EVERY liberty loving American (at least those of us who want to remain a sovereign nation and not become part of a global government).

To call me biased in favor of those who support Leiberman is to be completely ignorant of my politics. I am first, foremost, and always a Libertarian, but no Libertarian is running prominently enough in the race to stand a fair chance of winning.

I understand your dilemna, but I do hope you do some reading on Soros, and his agenda. It's disturbing to every liberty minded citizen, which is what you appear to be.

He earned it so what?
How is he different from
Bush?
Frist?
Delay?
etc
etc


Please show me a single endorsement in any of my articles of Bush, Frist, or Delay.

He didn't technically earn his money; it was his birthright. But you're right, it is, and should be, rightfully his money. However, the fact that he's in the Soros camp, a group of people whose behind the scenes manipulations of their puppet politicians is frightening, to say the least, says enough to me that I wouldn't want him to represent me. But, you live in CT, I don't, and it's your vote. I applaud you for not wasting it by staying home, at least.

But I would encourage you to take a hard look at the Soros agenda and ask yourself if that's what you want.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
complete replacement of any incumbent ... even if my shoe has to run - Independent American

I second that.

In going door-to-door for our local primaries I came upon a house that sported a sign that read, "Re-Elect No One".

I agree.
Let's toss them all out on their ear.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
>He didn't technically earn his money; it was his birthright.

Frists family are in the medical/medicare/ business ...

Bush didnt earn his money either ... it was his birthright. Dont talk about all the failed businesses
hes run (Harken etc etc). He got in through birthright and FAMILY connections which allowed donors
(chevron,bp,amoco,kellogs brown and root,texaco,etc) to donate

etc etc

But, Lamont owns a Cable TV business HE STARTED ... one thats successful! Hes putting his money where his mouth is

>But you're right, it is, and should be, rightfully his money.

Youll get no argument from me here.

>However, the fact that he's in the Soros camp, a group of people whose behind the scenes
>manipulations of their puppet politicians is frightening,

Cut that crap out ... I dont care about Soros. Waving Soros and such allegations is a waste of time.
You didnt seem to have bothered to read my previous posting.

I WANT ALL INCUMBENTS OUT
EVERY
SINGLE
ONE
OF
THEM

IF SATAN-THE-DEVIL runs this November in CT ... against the incumbent I WILL VOTE FOR HIM.

FURTHERMORE I WANT TERM LIMITS NOWWWWW
if the presidency has term limits i want all public offices to have term limits as well. I dont care if you are democrat,republican,green,yellow or shoe ... term limits for all and

ALL INCUMBENTS OUT
even if you are an angel ... time for a change ... time for new faces.

Lamont funds his own campaign ... money from his pocket. Leiberman has MILLIONS from donations ... the MASTERS he serves are endless but they are certainly not CT voters

THAT MUST COME TO AN END THIS NOVEMBER
ALL
INCUMBENTS
OUT


thats the only message we are discussing at the hartford village council meeting (2600 people at the last one)
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Frists family are in the medical/medicare/ business ...

Bush didnt earn his money either ... it was his birthright. Dont talk about all the failed businesses
hes run (Harken etc etc). He got in through birthright and FAMILY connections which allowed donors
(chevron,bp,amoco,kellogs brown and root,texaco,etc) to donate

etc etc

But, Lamont owns a Cable TV business HE STARTED ... one thats successful! Hes putting his money where his mouth is


The Frist, Bush comparisons are ridiculous red herrings. NEVER have I stood in defense of any of these men. Your comparisons infer that I EVER stood in defense of these men, and yet you cannot find a single word to that end. This is the kind of shameful responses that cause people to hate the left. If you respond to my comments with "well, Bush did X, and Frist did Y", and I reply, well, then I am a shill for Bush and Frist. If I don't, then I'm "covering up the facts. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you realize I am NOT a Republican, have never BEEN a Republican, and have as much dislike for the party at large as I do for the DNC at large?

As for Lamont's cable business, yeah, he started it...but he had a heckuva bankroll to get the ball rolling.

Cut that crap out ... I dont care about Soros. Waving Soros and such allegations is a waste of time.


You don't care about Soros? Well, you might, once he gains power.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
>This is the kind of shameful responses that cause people to hate the left. If you respond to my comments >with "well, Bush did X, and Frist did Y",

WOW
yet you had no problems factoring SOROS into a conversation about Lieberman and Lamont.
around here we call that HYPOCRISY ... what do you call it?

Also I am not a leftie or a rightie. If anyone running against Lieberman took a viewpoint I am opposed
to .. I would set aside just to see him and all incumbents removed.

THATS THE KEY POINT
SOROS, SATAN, BUSH, FRIST,ANGELS, SHOES be damned
I dont care

>How many times do I have to repeat myself before you realize I am NOT a Republican, have never BEEN
>a Republican, and have as much dislike for the party at large as I do for the DNC at large?

Your support of Lieberman betrays you
Hes about as republican as they get
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

Your support of Lieberman betrays you
Hes about as republican as they get

Actually no, since he voted against Bush 90% of the time.  But it does betray you.  Gid thought you were a real Anti Inumbent.  Instead you are just a loony leftist.  No harm in admitting it.  Just shame in denying it.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your support of Lieberman betrays you
Hes about as republican as they get


I don't see how that is possible, since he "is" a registered DEMOCRAT! Maybe you should get your ducks in a row "before" you post.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
>I don't see how that is possible, since he "is" a registered DEMOCRAT!

Actions speak louder than words. His heart and deeds are Republican.

Anyway ... I am here in Torrington CT and the mood isnt all that great either. I know the so called
polls are saying hes got an edge with independents.

I CALL BULLSHIT!!!

The same polls (up until a month or so before the primaries) predicted a win for him. Where is he now?
Rigging the election is the only way I see him winning.

I know tons of folks that changed their mind at the end ... when they realized choosing this guy
represents more of the same. If anything people are more aware ... their eyes open. And his betrayal
at the primaries by running as an independent clearly shows he will do ANYTHING to retain power.

The arrogance knows no bounds

Heres hoping this AIPAC stooge is tossed out November
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actions speak louder than words. His heart and deeds are Republican.


Well now it's my turn.....BULLSHIT! he votes democrat 90% of the time! He has enough brains to know the other 10% is crap. And just as an aside.....it's people like you that made me want to leave CT.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
>it's people like you that made me want to leave CT

Good riddance to bad rubbish
Oh
and take that AIPAC republican in democrat clothing lieberman with you
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
AIPAC republican in democrat clothing lieberman

So, a moderate Democrat (at least when compared to the more vocal/visible portion of the party), is just a Republican in Democrats clothing?

It must feel strange, and lonely, to be so far out in left field that anything CLOSE to the center looks like it's gone over the line.

See, I see Leiberman as, almost, a left wing wack job. Not as bad as some/most, but still decidedly left of center. That's coming from my position just to the right of that moderate center, though.

Would I choose Lieberman over Lamont? Damn straight. Hmmm... I wonder if my grandparents have a spare bedroom there in CT ... Could telecommute for a couple months.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Good riddance to bad rubbish


Ya know that's "exactly" what I said when I left.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your support of Lieberman betrays you
Hes about as republican as they get


One, I don't support Leiberman. But I don't support Soros, either, and I don't appreciate the prospect of him winning Senate seats.

Two, funny you call Leiberman a "republican". Your party didn't seem to think so when you chose him as your vice presidential candidate in 2000.

WOW
yet you had no problems factoring SOROS into a conversation about Lieberman and Lamont.
around here we call that HYPOCRISY ... what do you call it?


Because Soros is pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

Around here, we call it "a need for you to get a damn dictionary". hypocrisy is defined as:

--an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction
--insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

Nothing I have said has been inconsistent.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your apparent fixation with Soros is making me start to question your sensibilities. It seems lately every post you make has something to do with Soros. I gather you just got done reading that "Shadow Party" book?
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
>Nothing I have said has been inconsistent.

Go back and READ your posts anew. YOU obviously missed something.

Democrats are not my party ... their selection of Liberman in 2000 was FOOLISH as Al Gore realized when
he turned around and stabbed him in the back my supporting some other candidate for 2004.

Al Gore's selection of Lieberman was just to pander to the Jewish vote ... a vote the represents less
than 1% of the voting public ... yet everyone panders to that minority of MINORITIES

That should come to an end this November.
Thing is, in the past I took voting and efforts like this for granted. I have never been as political
as I am now

ALL
INCUMBENTS
OUT

that includes that useless drone Hillary, that spineless fool Kerry ... get them all out along with
the lot of treacherous Republicans

GET THEM ALL OUT
America belongs to us all ... not the few funded by PAC's
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

Your apparent fixation with Soros

Whose Fixation?