This War is Looking Like Vietnam, More and More

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Yes, this war.  And before you jump and say "AHA!", better remember what "this war" is all about.  It is not about Iraq or Afghanistan.  It is about Terror.  Plain and simple.  Some people cannot understand the difference between a battle and a war.  Which is kind of funny.  For if we had confused that 140 years ago, the Confederacy would still exist.  They won the battles, just not the war.

But this war is looking like Vietnam.  How?

There are a lot of ways to look at Vietnam.  A failed experiment.  A doomed noble endeavor.  A presidents war (Johnson really did send orders to commanders!).  A war that was ill advised.

All of those, and a war we lost, not on the Battlefields (we won all of those).  But at the negotiating table.  When Kissinger signed away Vietnam, he did so thinking that the people sitting opposite him were honorable men who wanted peace.  Well, we know that is flat out wrong.  It was a dodge to get us out of there, and then take the south by force.  No one can say the NV were stupid.

But we are facing the same situation now.  We are winning all the battles.  Yet we have our Chamberlains/Kissinger's that want to see the other side, in this case Terrorists, as wanting the same thing we do.  peace.  Yet, like 30+ years ago, there is no indication they do other than the personification of the enemy by the left. 

Kerry would not be here if elected.  Gore would never have let it happen if elected.  Reid, Pelosi, Clinton (the distaff one), Schumer, et. al.  Never would be here!  They would be sitting down and talking to them, and finding out why they hate us (this was actually a comment by a liberal on another thread - we need to find out why they hate us?!?!!?!!?).

So yes, the War on TERROR is looking a lot like Vietnam.  Except this time, when we sign away a country, it will not be some dirt poor monsoon soaked sliver of land in a world 12 time zones away.

No, when we sign away a country this time, we will be signing away ours.  To their whims and desires.  And while we clasp each other on the back and give ourselves the high fives and congratulations, and kudos, they will be planning their final assault.  And we will wake up facing mecca and bowing to Allah, and people will still be wondering "how did it happen"?

Because this is not a war for a far away place.  This is a war for our freedom.  But more and more, the democrats are turning that into a question of "why cant we just get along?".  Never asking why they cant just go home and live.  No, We have to find out why they hate us.

Spain caved.  And what did Al Zawahiri say?  They will not rest until every Muslim country, from Iraq to SPAIN is once again Muslim.

If this turns out to be Vietnam, it will not be Bush's fault.  The fault lies with the Neville Chamberlains and the rest that ignore history.  Because no one has challenged them in too long.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
It'll only be like Vietnam if the U.S. voters give in to the likes of the Democrats.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

It'll only be like Vietnam if the U.S. voters give in to the likes of the Democrats.

They are in essence making every election a referendum on it.  And right now, I dont have warm fuzzies that most see it that way.  After all, most of England did not want to lose to hitler, but they elected chamberlain.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I would agree only in as far as I have doubts that we, the US, seriously have the guts to do what it takes to win.

The current 'face' of war as it is being fought by the US is 'Let's not be too forceful. Let's be sensitive to the casulty count.' In short, 'Let's pussyfoot around so we don't 'offend' anyone.'

Oops, too late ... apparently everyone hates our guts anyway, to hear most of the Media and Left wingers tell it.. I seriously wonder if we would been seen any worse if we were to fight this war with all our might and with the intent to win in the shortest time possibly while either completely obliterating the enemy or pressing so hard no one would dare make a peep against us.

Of course that wouldn't be 'civilized'. Who ever said war was even supposed to be civilized?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

The current 'face' of war as it is being fought by the US is 'Let's not be too forceful. Let's be sensitive to the casulty count.' In short, 'Let's pussyfoot around so we don't 'offend' anyone.'

Close call, but that is the face of the 2 faced media.  Not the US.  As LGF and others continue to expose their lies, perhaps, only perhaps, America will realize that it is the face of defeat.

Right now, I am not betting.  It is too close to call.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Man, I said the same thing back in '04 and got treated like a little girl who didn't know what she was talking about. Now you say it, and people are starting to agree with you.

Huh.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have blogged about it before, that I never thought I would live long enough to see my country betrayed from within, like it was in Vietnam I guess I was wrong.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Some folks believe that war is wrong no matter what.

Those folks haven't lost loved ones to the enemy.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Close call, but that is the face of the 2 faced media. Not the US.


There's no doubt, in my mind anyway, that the impetus for this type of hesitant waring is the pacifistic, we need to get along and understand why they hate us, crowd. The problem is that it affects how the war is actually being waged due to the PR aspect as reported and framed by the media and the Left wing of the Democratic party.

There is your true analogy to Vietnam. The Left anti-war contingent is having a strong effect, if not outright directing how this war is being both seen and handled.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
that's the wonderful thing about freedom of speech isn't it. it implies also the freedom to think.. differently. which is nice
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Some folks believe that war is wrong no matter what.Those folks haven't lost loved ones to the enemy.


This is the mistake that too many people are making. It doesn't matter to THEM what we want, only what they want.


Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I recall the last election campaign in which Kerry wanted to send more special forces and 40,000 more troops to clean up the insurgency. Hardly appeasement.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
#11 by stevendedalus
Sat, August 12, 2006 11:21 AM


I recall the last election campaign in which Kerry wanted to send more special forces and 40,000 more troops to clean up the insurgency. Hardly appeasement.


Hanoijohn switched [positions so many time, how could anyone believe anything he said, or says?
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Man, I said the same thing back in '04 and got treated like a little girl who didn't know what she was talking about. Now you say it, and people are starting to agree with you.

Huh.


I really think in '04, we were hoping that the "Vietnam" end was avoidable, dharma.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

Man, I said the same thing back in '04 and got treated like a little girl who didn't know what she was talking about. Now you say it, and people are starting to agree with you.

Huh.

I am a recent convert.  But I would love to read your story.  As it was 04, I might not have been here.  But will gladly read it and comment on it.

YOU are not a little girl.  Not by a long shot.

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

I never thought I would live long enough to see my country betrayed from within, like it was in Vietnam I guess I was wrong.

I guess I am more cynical.  I actually am not that surprised.  Disappointed yes. But then not surprised.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

Some folks believe that war is wrong no matter what.

Those folks haven't lost loved ones to the enemy.

No, some have.  Sheehan.  What they have not lost is their liberty to the bacteria.  But if this keeps up, they will.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

There is your true analogy to Vietnam. The Left anti-war contingent is having a strong effect, if not outright directing how this war is being both seen and handled.

That is the really sad part.  For they have not learned the true lessons of Vietnam.  The person across the table is not always (make that seldom) as honorable as you.  But they cannot see that. And that is our future enslavement.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

that's the wonderful thing about freedom of speech isn't it. it implies also the freedom to think.. differently. which is nice

Well, that is a good quote, but hardly on topic.  If you have an opinion, state it.  If you have a rant, make it nice.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

This is the mistake that too many people are making. It doesn't matter to THEM what we want, only what they want.

That is exactly point on!  Thanks FS!  You get a cookie for that one.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

I recall the last election campaign in which Kerry wanted to send more special forces and 40,000 more troops to clean up the insurgency. Hardly appeasement.

Steven, I am talking about his latest, when he was not trying to win a national election.  His speech then was just pablum.  Now, his latest about "it would not happen if I WAS PRESIDENT".  Care to explain that?

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

Hanoijohn switched [positions so many time, how could anyone believe anything he said, or says?

I beleived it when he said he could speak French!

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

I really think in '04, we were hoping that the "Vietnam" end was avoidable, dharma.

We still are.  But with the opposition wanting to sit down with the bacteria, it is not looking like we can avoid it.

Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
War is wrong!!! Yes it is his fault. He thinks he is king, but he is just a dictator. They hate the arrogance. I'm not defending them because what they did was wrong, but the ethnocentrism is what makes people mad. He started the war and you blame another party. I thought that you were a liberal and I had no idea that you were a fan of you know who. "And we will wake up facing mecca and bowing to Allah, and people will still be wondering "how did it happen"?" I hate that sentence. You view yourself as superior to them and you cannot view all as bad because not everyone who lives in the M.E. is bad. They have their culture and some fool tried to fix it when they were happy with what they had. How would you like it if the big C. tried to fix here? Come on...What makes everyone here so superior? It's not fair because we wouldn't tolerate it and you think that they should tolerate it from here because people here are superior? Why do people think like that? It won't be funny when other countries have power, will it?
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

I thought that you were a liberal

WOW!  Really?  I am a liberals worst nightmare!  A knowledgeable conservative!

But as for the rest of your diatribe, I can only say, WOW!  Yes war is wrong, but it is necessary as long as bad men exist.  Sorry, but I am not going to mourn for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Saddam, King Jung Il or any of the tyrants of yore,

I will leave you with this.  The only way that evil can thrive is for good men to do nothing.

We could have done nothing with Hitler, Stalin and Tojo.  But they would not have gone away.