Good riddance McKinney, come back soon Lieberman

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Good riddance Cynthia -- you are an embarrassment to your race, female humans, and humanity in general -- McKinney. Thankfully you aren't able to claim that your loss, a virtual thumping in the primary election run-off was because of your race. Losing to a Black man means you've lost that ace-in-the-hole, though you'll still pull out that card that claims you were beaten because you're a female. Hopefully the public is smart enough to see through it and once your opponent gets into office hopefully he'll do a good enough job to keep getting sent back while you're home being kept out of sight and out of mind.

Of course I know we won't be so darned lucky as some idiotic news organization (probably MSNBC or similar) will give you a job as a talking head where you'll help keep the MSM focused on the loony side of the liberal bend.


On the other hand, I really hope to see soon to be formerly Democrat Senator Joseph Lieberman, once a star of his party, nominated to run as the Vice President for one of the absolute worst Democrat candidates for the office of President ever (probably only surpassed by John F. Kerry, but others may have different choices to submit), come back very soon. He had earlier hinted at running as an independent and current reports (at the time I write this) are still saying that is a strong possibility. I hope he runs and I hope he kicks the crap out of the idiotic Democrats that opted to use the primary to "send a message" to Joseph Lieberman that he's too cozy with George W. Bush to continue representing his constituents in the U.S. Senate.

Lieberman is not someone that I would say I frequently find myself on the same side of the fence as. He is a moderate, but on many issues he's still far too liberal for my tastes. Still, Lieberman is a man that has represented his constituents very well. The citizens of Connecticut have no room to complain about the job Lieberman has done and still could do if given another opportunity to do it.

I'd love to see Lieberman go indy, and I've long ago predicted that if he did he'd get a lot of Republican support in the general election. I hope that is exactly the case, and I hope that Lieberman winds up being the *one* guy that keeps the Democrats from regaining the majority in the U.S. Senate. Though I don't particularly want things that close, perfection might be one of those nice 50 Republicans, 2 Indys (Jeffords is still there..., Lieberman would take the other spot), and 48 losers, I mean Democrats. Close enough that the Dems could sniff another power sharing arrangement, but held back by Lieberman as he gets some payback for the next term.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Only time will tell if Lieberman can bounce back in the general election, but I'm pretty confident that McKinney is done for at least the next few years. As I said above - good riddance McKinney, and come back soon Lieberman.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Still, Lieberman is a man that has represented his constituents very well.


What are you basing that on? I think the fact that less than 50% of Democrats voted for him in this primary would indicate that they didn't feel he represented them well. Why would they want someone else representing them if he did such a great job?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

I think the fact that less than 50% of Democrats voted for him in this primary

Way less since only about 15-20% of the democrats even voted in the primary.  But then if he runs (as appears certain) as an independant, and wins, then Terp's statement is correct.  Since he was representing the PEOPLE of Connecticut, not just the democrats.

But a slight correction to your article Terp.  Jeffords is not running for re-election, so he will be out when Lieberman gets back in.  However, it looks like Bernie Sanders, techically a socialist, will be the other independant in the senate come next year.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
What are you basing that on? I think the fact that less than 50% of Democrats voted for him in this primary would indicate that they didn't feel he represented them well. Why would they want someone else representing them if he did such a great job?


As Dr. Guy has helped clarify for you above, and I'll continue here...

Because Lieberman represents all of Connecticut, not just the Democrats there. He has received votes from independents, Republicans, and Democrats in the past and by going independent now he's not beholden to either party.

Would I welcome him to the GOP if he decided to jump over? Sure, but he'd be a RINO (Republican in Name Only) and I don't think his heart would truly be in it. As an indy he can vote his conscience and not catch flack for it by party elders on either side. He would still have to try to please the voters back home, but it's easier to please the moderates in most cases than it is to try to please the ultra left or ultra right.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
I like Lieberman and I hope he does win his seat. I think the Democrats were idiots about this one. Extreme liberals might fire up the party faithful in the primaries but they don't win elections. I also think one issue voters are idiots. You have to look at the whole of a person's voting record and positions. I don't think Lieberman is in Bush's pocket by a long stretch.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Way less since only about 15-20% of the democrats even voted in the primary. But then if he runs (as appears certain) as an independant, and wins, then Terp's statement is correct. Since he was representing the PEOPLE of Connecticut, not just the democrats.


Where did you see the figures of 15-20%? Some towns reported turnout in excess of 50%.Link

I still think that if he represented the people "well", then he would have one the primary easily. As you said, we'll see in November.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just another example of how far out of touch with mainstream America the DEMONCRAPS are, Senator Leiberman agreed with the Demoncraps 90% of the time, but that is not enough for the left wing loons like DAVAD.

The rest of the DEMONCRAPS LOSERS quickly ran to the winners side showing once again the DEMONCRAPS EAT THIER OWN.

At the "winners" acceptance speach he was surrounded by the likes of Al {slick motherfucker} sharpton and Jesse {Blackmailer} Jackson @ real winners@!!!
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Remember Vietnam? It is no longer "Chic" among young Americans to support the war in Iraq. If Lieberman sticks to his support of the war, even as an independent, he'll lose hands down.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Al {slick motherfucker} sharpton and Jesse {Blackmailer} Jackson @ real winners@!!!


sounds as if someone could be a BLACK HATER (if all it takes to be a jew hater is to disagree with israel's politics...)
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just another example of how far out of touch with mainstream America the DEMONCRAPS are, Senator Leiberman agreed with the Demoncraps 90% of the time, but that is not enough for the left wing loons like DAVAD.


Just another example of how out of touch with reality you are. A clear majority of America does not agree with the unwavering support for the war that Lieberman has shown.

sounds as if someone could be a BLACK HATER (if all it takes to be a jew hater is to disagree with israel's politics...)


Good call!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
9 by kingbee
Wed, August 09, 2006 11:29 AM


Al {slick motherfucker} sharpton and Jesse {Blackmailer} Jackson @ real winners@!!!


sounds as if someone could be a BLACK HATER (if all it takes to be a jew hater is to disagree with israel's politics...)


calling me a hater of blacks does not negate your anti-semitic ways kingbee.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
sounds as if someone could be a BLACK HATER (if all it takes to be a jew hater is to disagree with israel's politics...)


Good call!


gee now I am hurt, a left wing loon agreeing with another leftwing loon, sniff, you guys sure told me!!
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where did you see the figures of 15-20%? Some towns reported turnout in excess of 50%.Link


I was talking about the overall rate, not "some towns". And in any event, it does nothing to negate my point that it was far less than 50% since even if the high figure is used, then he only got about 24% of the democrat voters. Far less than 50%. And since democrats are not 100% of Connecticut voters, it cannot be translated that most of the voters did not feel he represented them well.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just another example of how far out of touch with mainstream America the DEMONCRAPS are, Senator Leiberman agreed with the Demoncraps 90% of the time, but that is not enough for the left wing loons like DAVAD.


Just another example of how out of touch with reality you are. A clear majority of America does not agree with the unwavering support for the war that Lieberman has shown.


And just out of what hat did you pull that rabbit? All that has been seen is that his PARTY does not support him.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
A clear majority of America does not agree with the unwavering support for the war that Lieberman has shown.


As clearly documented and explained this a.m. on a talk radio show your example is easily blown out of the water:

* Ring, ring *
phone answered
Voice on phone: hello, conducting a survey, would you mind answering a few questions
homebound body: sure, no problem
Voice: Is war a good thing?
homebound body: NO!
Voice: Would you like to see our soldiers come home?
homebound body: YES!
Voice: Thanks for your participation in the poll


In that context the answer is an emphatic YES!

Hell, just about all U.S. citizens are going to answer that way (perhaps a few crazy ones wouldn't), but if you clarify the question and don't "rig" the poll, then you get a completely different answer:

Voice: Do you want to see a victory in Iraq?
homebound body: Yes, we shouldn't leave until the job is done.
Voice (still reading from proper script): Should we leave before there has been a clear victory?
homebound body: No, as I said, we shouldn't leave until the job is done.
Voice continues: If there has not been a clear victory should we recall our troops by a specific date?
homebound body: No, there should be no artificial deadlines.
Voice: Should we leave troops in Iraq permanently?

... You get the idea. If a properly constructed poll is used then the answers are not so emphatic and not so clearly radically liberal.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

I was talking about the overall rate, not "some towns". And in any event, it does nothing to negate my point that it was far less than 50% since even if the high figure is used, then he only got about 24% of the democrat voters. Far less than 50%. And since democrats are not 100% of Connecticut voters, it cannot be translated that most of the voters did not feel he represented them well.


Where did you get numbers that show the overall turnout?
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where did you get numbers that show the overall turnout?


I haven't seen offical numbers yet, but the CT Secretary of State is estimating an all time high voter turnout. See this article: Link
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was talking about the overall rate, not "some towns". And in any event, it does nothing to negate my point that it was far less than 50% since even if the high figure is used, then he only got about 24% of the democrat voters. Far less than 50%. And since democrats are not 100% of Connecticut voters, it cannot be translated that most of the voters did not feel he represented them well.


Where did you get numbers that show the overall turnout?


There in lies your problem. "You" say most Americans.

Just another example of how out of touch with reality you are. A clear majority of America does not agree with the unwavering support for the war that Lieberman has shown.


Kind of hard to get a "majority" of Americans when you're only referring to CT, ain't it? I mean it was only a "state" primary, and CT is after all primarily a "blue" state!
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
and CT is after all primarily a "blue" state!


... ah, but there-in is another misconception.

By what I heard this a.m., Connecticut has a GOP Governor and 3 U.S. Reps that are GOP. Of course I may have heard incorrectly, or the information may not have been correct, but still...

People assume that Connecticut is a blue state because of it's proximity to New York and Massachusetts, but it doesn't mean that voters there aren't more independent or don't lean in whichever direction they may favor for the day.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just to follow-up, here's the confirmed info:

Senators:
Dodd, Christopher J.- (D - CT) and
Lieberman, Joseph I.- (D - CT)

Representatives:
Larson, John B.; Connecticut, 1st (Democrat)
Simmons, Rob; Connecticut, 2nd (Republican)
DeLauro, Rosa L.; Connecticut, 3rd (Democrat)
Shays, Christopher; Connecticut, 4th (Republican)
Johnson, Nancy L.; Connecticut, 5th (Republican)

Governor:
M. JODI RELL (Republican) Fiscally conservative, socially liberal


Not exactly what would be expected from a "blue" state.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top

Where did you get numbers that show the overall turnout?

From Here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207512,00.html

And knowing that 1.6 million voted in 2004 (for prez) and that was about 60 percent of the eligibles, and assuming that 50% of voters in Conn are democrat (just an assumption), that gives you 15-20%.

Just odd stats I keep in my head.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Kind of hard to get a "majority" of Americans when you're only referring to CT, ain't it? I mean it was only a "state" primary, and CT is after all primarily a "blue" state!


Once again, you show your lack of reading comprehension skills.

Why don't you show the post that I quoted, and was responding to with that?

Just another example of how far out of touch with mainstream America the DEMONCRAPS are, Senator Leiberman agreed with the Demoncraps 90% of the time, but that is not enough for the left wing loons like DAVAD.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where did you see the figures of 15-20%? Some towns reported turnout in excess of 50%


The last figures recorded by he Connecticut Secretary of State were approx. 1.95 million registered voters with approx. 650,000 being Democrat, as of last year. I assume that would leave approx. 1.3 million Republicans and Independents, along with a smattering of various other parties of no consequence.

The voter turnout, as of about 98% reporting, was close to 300,000 voting in the Democratic primary (Lieberman 134,026 votes, to Lamont's 144,005).

Roughly 40% of the registered Democratic voters.

Roughly 15% of total registered voters.

Now given that this was a Democratic primary, the 40% is the relevant figure for this vote.

Assuming Lamont retains his approx. 150,000 Democrats, he would need to pick up a sizable chunk of the Independents and Lieberman's voters as well to stand a good chance in the general election. From what I've heard and read, there are a lot of Independent voters.

It's more likely that Lieberman, should he stay in as an Independent, will retain his approx. 140,000 and could pick up a sizeable majority of the Independents and even some Republicans, as they don't really have a viable horse in this race and would probably rather see a moderate Democrat in office than someone as left wing as Lamont seems to be.

This is why Lieberman will most likely be pressured heavily to drop out. I believe a lot of Democrats are seeing the potential of this scenario and realize it could damage their party.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Democrats can try pressuring all they want now, best case he ignores it, worst case it chases him over to complete indy status and he leaves them completely behind.

The numbers I heard this morning, actually not numbers, just status, are that the polls indicate Lieberman is comfortably ahead in any 3 party election at this point. Heck, even a two party one, as pictoratus points out, has Lieberman having a much easier time winning than would Lamont.

I'm not sure that the Republicans would go out of their way at all to help Lieberman, but they certainly wouldn't mind watching the cannibalistic antics of the Democrats as they attack Lieberman for not being liberal enough and not wanting to immediately surrender and give up in the war on terror both at home and abroad.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
The last figures recorded by he Connecticut Secretary of State were approx. 1.95 million registered voters with approx. 650,000 being Democrat, as of last year. I assume that would leave approx. 1.3 million Republicans and Independents, along with a smattering of various other parties of no consequence.

The voter turnout, as of about 98% reporting, was close to 300,000 voting in the Democratic primary (Lieberman 134,026 votes, to Lamont's 144,005).

Roughly 40% of the registered Democratic voters.


Those figures are much closer to what I had heard...a far cry from 15%,

I'm not sure that the Republicans would go out of their way at all to help Lieberman, but they certainly wouldn't mind watching the cannibalistic antics of the Democrats as they attack Lieberman for not being liberal enough and not wanting to immediately surrender and give up in the war on terror both at home and abroad.


It's already being reported that Rove is reaching out to Lieberman.

Link

We'll see.