Bush is Driving the People of Lebanon to Syria

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The Prime Minister on Lebanon told Secretary of State Rice yesterday that the Israeli attacks have destroyed 50 YEARS of work and pleaded for a cease fire. The Bush administration has chosen to allow Israel to continue destroying this country and the new government by driving the people of Lebanon closer to Syria. Reporters have interviewed the people fleeing Lebanon into Syria and they blame Israel NOT Hezbollah. What our policy of not demanding a cease Fire like the UN and most other world leaders want is to put the United States at odds with the people of Lebanon as well as most other world leaders.

We supply Israel with the weapons they are using to destroy two countries because a total of three Israeli Soldiers were captured. Millions of innocent people are being displaced; their home and jobs are being destroyed so Israel can punish Hezbollah. In the end groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will come out of this battle with even more people that support them and HATE Israel and the United States.

Our policy in the Middle-East and in Iraq is doing more to create added enemies for our country and is in no way making us safer. Again Bush stands alone in the world by allowing Israel to wage two wars because three soldiers were taken hostage.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is the stupidist thing I have read today. Now you blame this on Bush.....how pathetic.

The Prime Minister on Lebanon told Secretary of State Rice yesterday that the Israeli attacks have destroyed 50 YEARS of work and pleaded for a cease fire.


Don't you mean 50 years of trying to destroy Israel?


We supply Israel with the weapons they are using to destroy two countries because a total of three Israeli Soldiers were captured. Millions of innocent people are being displaced; their home and jobs are being destroyed so Israel can punish Hezbollah. In the end groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will come out of this battle with even more people that support them and HATE Israel and the United States.


Col, do you realize Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for countless years without a response? Does world opinion mean everything to you? THEY WANT ISRAEL DESTROYED NO MATTER WHAT.

You can be nice as you want to the terrrorists, they will still recruit and want to destroy Israel. You can either sit and let that happen, or fight. I see you would rather sit. Typical.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Prime Minister on Lebanon told Secretary of State Rice yesterday that the Israeli attacks have destroyed 50 YEARS of work and pleaded for a cease fire. The Bush administration has chosen to allow Israel to continue destroying this country and the new government by driving the people of Lebanon closer to Syria. Reporters have interviewed the people fleeing Lebanon into Syria and they blame Israel NOT Hezbollah. What our policy of not demanding a cease Fire like the UN and most other world leaders want is to put the United States at odds with the people of Lebanon as well as most other world leaders.


We are at odds with people who allowed Hezbollah to hide weapons under family homes, who allowed a terrorist group to become part of their Gov't, who allowed a part of their own country to be controlled by a terrorist group and their Gov't did nothing about it. These are the people we need to make friends with, backstabbers, liars, cowards, heartless. Hmmm, actually we probably should get along fine.

We supply Israel with the weapons they are using to destroy two countries because a total of three Israeli Soldiers were captured. Millions of innocent people are being displaced; their home and jobs are being destroyed so Israel can punish Hezbollah. In the end groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will come out of this battle with even more people that support them and HATE Israel and the United States.


I guess Israel puts more value in their people, even if it's 3 people, than you do. I'm glad you're not a fire fighter, otherwise you would not risk your life for 1 or 2 people in a burning building. These terrorist groups have all the support possible, most of these people who claim to be our aalies are just covering up their true hatred. I never have and never will trust any of them cause no matter what they say, they have the same beliefe and that will never change.

Our policy in the Middle-East and in Iraq is doing more to create added enemies for our country and is in no way making us safer. Again Bush stands alone in the world by allowing Israel to wage two wars because three soldiers were taken hostage.


Sorry Col, be we are not creating anything that was not already there. These terrorist groups were there before we started and they will be there after we are done, unless we get rid of the whole ideal completely. But we are humans and that can not be done. But I like better to try than to site down and do nothing about it.

Another sad attempt to blame Bush for a war stated by another country. You really are a sick idiotic madman.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Charles & IslandDpg

Yes the people of Lebanon are those Bush claims are the foundation of the democracy that Bush claims is the solution. That is the same democracy that Israel is destroying. We stand by and fail to support a cease Fire and provide Israel the bombs to destroy Lebanon.

The point is both The United States and Israel are creating more new enemies every day and we stand alone with the reminder of the world saying Israel went TOO far in destroying much of Lebanon. Our actions are driving the people of Lebanon and the Palestine’s into the camp of the terrorist groups. Some Foreign Policy and it is the Foreign Policy Bush has created!
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
The United States and Israel are creating more new enemies every day and we stand alone with the reminder of the world saying Israel went TOO far in destroying much of Lebanon. Our actions are driving the people of Lebanon and the Palestine’s into the camp of the terrorist groups. Some Foreign Policy and it is the Foreign Policy Bush has created


Is that all you worry about col. We create new enemies by being free, we create new enemies by not fighting the terrorists and showing our weakness. Bush has nothing to do with this conflict unless he is the one firing rockets into Israel. I'm sure you can find some way to blame him for that though.

You are just making excuses for terrorists as usual. What a sad individual.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes the people of Lebanon are those Bush claims are the foundation of the democracy that Bush claims is the solution. That is the same democracy that Israel is destroying.


Actually, this is one time when I will talk bad about Bush. I never have and never will believe that any of these people actually want anything to do with us, I don't believe they like us a bit. Bush knows this as well but he will say good things for PR purposes (for those who don't understand he lied about it). These people never liked us or Israel for that matter and they never will. So in a sense Israel is not destroying anything cause that democracy , the one that we want anyways, never really existed. Lebanon is just another Palestine.

We stand by and fail to support a cease Fire and provide Israel the bombs to destroy Lebanon.


You make it sound like we are giving them something they didn't already have. How exactly are we suppose to tell them what to do with the weapons we sell to them? BTW, you had no problem with France and Germany giving Iraq weapons, why complain now?

The point is both The United States and Israel are creating more new enemies every day and we stand alone with the reminder of the world saying Israel went TOO far in destroying much of Lebanon. Our actions are driving the people of Lebanon and the Palestine’s into the camp of the terrorist groups. Some Foreign Policy and it is the Foreign Policy Bush has created!


Again you can't make something into something it already is. If these people decide to side with terrorist than as far as I'm concerned they were terrorist before they even knew they were. Last time I checked, the American people did not turn to terrorism after having 3 planes flown into buildings full of innocent people.

Get a clue for once in your life, it's not about fighting for your lives. I would give the real innocent people of Lebanon the right to fight back if they being killed for no reason. But when they accept terrorism as a way of life, reguardless if they just let them hide the weapons in their house, or cheer every time a terrorist kills others, or even live next to one and they know it and do nothing about it, they are terrorist as well, to me.

I avoid crime driven areas, I avoid bad neighbors, I avoid anything that would put my life in danger as much as possible and when I can't avoid them, I try to do something about it. Why can't they do the same? I'm sorry but there is no excuse for any of it.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
He'll require a very large bus.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
He'll require a very large bus.


But he'll be able to use the car pool lane.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
CharlesC

If you are correct about how the people of Lebanon and most likely Iraq feel about the United States, then the fact that we have sacrificed American Lives, American injuries and American Dollars was a DAM STUPID POLICY. WHO GAVE US THAT POLICY?

The entire argument that Bush made about how the spreading Democracy was the way to end terrorism and the threat to us was BS!

Look at how the violence in Iraq is escalating. The war in Lebanon and Gaza has taken the spotlight off Iraq but the violence is getting worse all the time. All the BS about well after the new government and the new officials were in place the situation would improve. Iraq is falling apart and even the oil revenue that was to pay the bills has declined because they can not control the sectarian violence. Now Bush is moving our troops around to try and deal with the fighting in Baghdad. It is like moving the deck chairs on the Titanic!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Gloom and doom col. I see once again you ignore what was posted to you. You sir, are a joke.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I knew he couldn't resist blaming this on Bush too.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
IslandDog

You would not know the truth if you stood two feet from it!
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
You would not know the truth if you stood two feet from it!


I'm not the one constantly being proved wrong, that is you. How many times have you ignored posts that directly show you are wrong?

Just look at how ridiculous this whole post is. You are blaming Bush for the terrorist actions of Hezbollah. You just invent bs to blame Bush. What sad and pathetic life.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Germany is a democracy. Germany is an ally.

COL Gene, there are so many errors in your logic, it is hard to know where to start.

We bombed the stuffing out of Germany during WWII. Germany got new leadership. See above.

Japan is a democracy. Japan is an ally.

We nuked them during WWII. Tojo no longer rules Japan.

Italy is...am I being repetitive?

We can't drive the people of Lebanon and Palestine into "into the camp of the terrorist groups." Those terrorist camps are already within their countries.

There are an estimated 15,000 missles in Lebanon. Anywhere from a half-dozen to a dozen are fired against civilian targets in Isreal every day. That isn't in retaliation against Israel's invasion; it was going on before. Would you agree that that is unacceptable? Were it you being fired at on a daily basis, after politely asking the terrorists to stop and their refusal, what would you do?
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
There are an estimated 15,000 missles in Lebanon. Anywhere from a half-dozen to a dozen are fired against civilian targets in Isreal every day. That isn't in retaliation against Israel's invasion; it was going on before. Would you agree that that is unacceptable? Were it you being fired at on a daily basis, after politely asking the terrorists to stop and their refusal, what would you do?


But Larry, I thought it was the lot of the Jewish people to suffer atrocities without the luxury of retaliation. The precedent was set with Nebuchadnezzar's sacking of Jerusalem and the trend has continued undaunted until present day. Why spoil the Col's view of Jewish destiny?
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
IslandDog

You would not know the truth if you stood two feet from it!


And YOU wouldn't know it, if it bit you in the butt!
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
COL Gene, there are so many errors in your logic, it is hard to know where to start.


So true, Larry, so true. And trying to seriously engage him is like a game of Whack-A-Mole - hopelessly futile.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
IslandDog

I did not blame Bush for the violence. What I said is that our refusal to call for an immediate cease fire as the rest of the world wants and the fact we agreed to accelerate the delivery of the weapons Israel is using is creating more enemies for the U.S. I also said that the response of Israel to the capture of three Israeli soldiers it totally out of line with what they are doing in Gaza and Lebanon. Bush did not create the fighting but he is supporting Israel and again puts our country outside all the other countries and is adding to the enemies we will have after this is over. It would be good if you READ what I post not what you want me to post!

If Lebanon’s Army becomes directly involved in this fight as their Prime Minister has threatened, we will have Hezbollah and the Lebanese Army fighting Israel. The new democracy Bush claims is so important in Lebanon and the country of Lebanon is being destroyed by Israel and we are standing by and allowing it to happen by not joining the other world leaders to DEMAND both Israel and Hezbollah stop the fighting. If they refuse then military forces need to be sent to the area to FORCE both Israel and Hezbollah to stop the fighting. Bush is refusing to support this step so Israel can continue to punish Hezbollah! In the end Hezbollah will survive and will have even MORE support from the people of the area and we will be LESS secure. Hezbollah was the result of the Israeli attacks on Lebanon in 1982. Our policy as well as that of Israel is making the hatred WORSE and moving us further from a possible solution!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
The only way to have ANY chance to prevent what is taking place is to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem factions that hate Israel from fighting with each other. Both sides have done things that have caused the hatred. The factions MUST be separated and that must be enforced by an outside military that is strong enough to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem groups that are fighting Israel to STOP the fighting. What is taking place not only holds the potential for a much wider war but plants the seeds for more attacks in the future do to the increased hatred this war is creating! Our refusal to help STOP the fighting is also creating more enemies for this country!
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
The only way to have ANY chance to prevent what is taking place is to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem factions that hate Israel from fighting with each other. Both sides have done things that have caused the hatred. The factions MUST be separated and that must be enforced by an outside military that is strong enough to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem groups that are fighting Israel to STOP the fighting.


Ok, that would be the US Army. But, that would require us to kill more innocent civilians in order to get this done. Now we are bitched at for killing innocents civilians everytime we shoot something so we put our soldiers at risk by sending them to fight on foot against an enemy that is not afraid to take his own life to kill as many US soldiers as possible. But then this would mean we are putting our boys in unnecesary danger.

This whole explanation that I just gave tackles every point you f_cking bitch about evertime you start one of your Bush bashing articles. In other words you want the US to do exactly what you bitch about that they do. You're a f_cking hypocrit.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
The factions MUST be separated and that must be enforced by an outside military that is strong enough to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem groups that are fighting Israel to STOP the fighting.


And who would do that col. You keep claiming the U.S. is not the enforcer of the U.N., so should we send France?


Our refusal to help STOP the fighting is also creating more enemies for this country!


No it's not. Islamic terrorists will always hate the U.S., and will always want the destruction of Israel. Do you understand there is no cease fire with terrorists? They want the destruction of Israel and nothing else. Why does this simple fact elude you?
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
The only way to have ANY chance to prevent what is taking place is to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem factions that hate Israel from fighting with each other. Both sides have done things that have caused the hatred. The factions MUST be separated and that must be enforced by an outside military that is strong enough to FORCE both Israel and the various Moslem groups that are fighting Israel to STOP the fighting. What is taking place not only holds the potential for a much wider war but plants the seeds for more attacks in the future do to the increased hatred this war is creating! Our refusal to help STOP the fighting is also creating more enemies for this country!


But according to you the US is NOT a world police/peace-keeper. How many times have you been against the VERY same thing in Iraq. When the US was enforcing an UN sanctioned no-fly zone. How very pathetic of you.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
CharlesC

Where did I say the U S Army? I am talking about NATO or the UN NOT the U. S. If the idiot in the White House did ANYTHING that would solve ANYTHING I would be glad to give him credit. All you people want to do is defend that idiot and attack anyone that points to his failures. That makes you just a stupid as Bush!
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
If the idiot in the White House did ANYTHING that would solve ANYTHING I would be glad to give him credit. All you people want to do is defend that idiot and attack anyone that points to his failures. That makes you just a stupid as Bush!




Col, you completely ignore everything that shows that you are wrong. And you want to sit here and insult us? How pathetic.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nothing you have posted proves anything that I said is not correct. EVERY NEWS PROGRAM shows the devastation that has resulted because Israel overreacted to the taking of three soldiers. The interviews of the people in the area show clearly that they blame Israel and the U. S. not Hezbollah. Now other groups threaten to join the battle and the long term impact will be very negative.

EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN ROME WANTED A CEASE FIRE-- NOT BUSH. He wants to allow Israel to cause more death and destruction. The next thing is that we will be sending our tax dollars to rebuild what Israel destroyed. Let Israel pay for the destruction they created over three soldiers being captured!

Chris Matthews said last night that what is taking place was predicted by the staff at the Departments of State and Defense before Bush invaded Iraq. However, Bush, Cheney and Rummy did listen to them and what Bush has done is allowed the strife between the major factions to create the violence that is increasing every day. We have the new leader of Iraq siding with Hezbollah as he stands before Congress asking for MORE money to rebuild Iraq. NO MORE MONEY FOR IRAQ. Any new U.S. aid should be paid for by Iraq with oil at $20 per barrel!
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Chris Matthews said last night that what is taking place was predicted by the staff at the Departments of State and Defense before Bush invaded Iraq. However, Bush, Cheney and Rummy did listen to them and what Bush has done is allowed the strife between the major factions to create the violence that is increasing every day. We have the new leader of Iraq siding with Hezbollah as he stands before Congress asking for MORE money to rebuild Iraq. NO MORE MONEY FOR IRAQ. Any new U.S. aid should be paid for by Iraq with oil at $20 per barrel!


So you would show the dems and liberals correct then? When they say we went into Iraq just for oil?


We have the new leader of Iraq siding with Hezbollah as he stands before Congress asking for MORE money to rebuild Iraq.


Liar! He has said "nothing" of the sort!


"I asked him directly: 'Do you believe that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization?' " the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, recounted later. "He would not respond to that question."

From the LA Times: Link
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