Don't They Get It?

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I've read the following on conservative blogs time and time again;

Black people just don't realize that the GOP has their best interest in mind.

The democrats have taken them for granted for years.

The democrats are actually more exclusionary and racist than the GOP.

The GOP is and always will be "The Party of Lincoln".

What I never hear is why that is. If it's so obvious to everyone, then why haven't minorities bothered to notice? Are they all brainwashed? Are they just too dumb to "get it"?

I've also read around here that Bush has done more for minorites than any democrat, including Bill Clinton, ever did. I've pointed out each and every time that once you look past the Secretary of State position, there's not much diversity at all in the appointments that Bush has made.

Apparently even longtime conservative Charles Barkley has even been duped by the democrats.

"He's right," Charles Barkley said of Mellencamp. "The word conservative means discriminatory practically. It's a form of political discrimination. What do the Republicans run on? Against gay marriage and for a war that makes no sense. A war that was based on faulty intelligence. That's all they ever talk about. That and immigration. Another discriminatory argument for political gain."

Charles Barkley may be many things, but dumb or easily duped he is not.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on why minorities, especially blacks, don't see what is obvious to so many of you conservatives.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't see EITHER party as being pro minority, frankly, davad; for that matter, I don't see either party as being a party "of the people", but the elected individuals usually wind up being what manby consider "the lesser of two evils". The question then arises, which evils do you consider "lesser"?

You raise some compelling points, davad, but I feel you must be careful not to do that by relying too much on the "minority friendly" DNC, which has no more diversity than the GOP, and which was the home of many who actually OPPOSED the Civil Rights Act of 1964, including Al Gore's own father.

The truth is, national level politicians are NOT "in touch" with their constituents, and any pretense of such is a charade that anyone with any capacity for abstract thought should be able to see through.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

First, even in your quote, Barkley did not even insinuate that republicans are racist or that Republicans do not have their best interest at heart.  How you can jump from the opinions of conservatives to say that Barkley is refuting it is beyond me.  But more importantly is what he went on to say, that you omitted.

"The Democrats have done a horrible job," Barkley said. "A really crappy job. They spend all this time and energy getting on George Bush. They're going after a guy who's on the way out in two years no matter what they say anyways. He can't run again. He can't get fired. Why are you worrying about him?

"Democrats have wasted the last two years going after this guy and two years from another election, we don't have a frontrunner or a plan."

It is clear he is slamming both parties for perceived stupidity.  That is his opinion, and he is welcome to it.  But you wil note that he is upset with the republicans, he states what many conservatives have stated about the democrats.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't see EITHER party as being pro minority, frankly, davad; for that matter, I don't see either party as being a party "of the people", but the elected individuals usually wind up being what manby consider "the lesser of two evils". The question then arises, which evils do you consider "lesser"?


I'm not saying either side is beyond criticism in the area of diversity. I was addressing points that I've seen here time and time again. Which side is better is not the issue I'm addressing, I'm asking for the reasons why minorities fail to see what is so obvious to conservatives.

First, even in your quote, Barkley did not even insinuate that republicans are racist or that Republicans do not have their best interest at heart.


You must have missed all the times he used the word "discriminatory" in describing conservatives.

But more importantly is what he went on to say, that you omitted. It is clear he is slamming both parties for perceived stupidity. That is his opinion, and he is welcome to it. But you wil note that he is upset with the republicans, he states what many conservatives have stated about the democrats.


How is that a "more important" point? It has nothing to do with what we're discussing here. Did he accuse democrats of being discriminatory like he did conservatives? He's addressing the democrats stupidity, but that's a different topic altogether. That's why I left it out.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I see things the opposite as Gideon. I think both parties are, and are trying very hard to be more pro-minority. The Democrats already have been. Republicans, or at least the wing that controls the White House, are trying to promote their own pet minority in the hispanics; it's a strategy that will not work without alienating whites. Republicans cannot play the racial spoils game like the Democrats do, so why bother? It contradicts too many other tenets that Republicans at a minimum profess to believe.

The Democratic Party is full of blocs with exclusive goals. The more blacks and hispanics, the less prominence there will be for "progressive goals" like homosexual advocacy, "Green party issues", and any cause of effete white liberals. Jesse Jackson doesn't give a damn about the plight of the spotted owl. Blacks tend to care about issues in afrocentric terms: how an issue affect them as blacks, and how can they stand to benefit. Whichever politician best understands that attitude is the one who wins the black vote. Why is it rare to come across a black, even a well-to-do black man, who despises affirmative action? It's because blacks collectively stand to benefit from the program. When race is central to one's identity, as it is in the case of most blacks, then there is no reason not to support affirmative action.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
discriminatory practically. It's a form of political discrimination.


You must have missed all the times he used the word "discriminatory" in describing conservatives.


You must have missed the fact that it was once and the context. I put you above taking quotes out of context to prove a point not made by the ones you are supposedly using. I guess I was wrong.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
discriminatory


One other thing. There is not a human being on this planet that is not discriminatory. That in itself is not bad. He does not say they are racist or discriminating against races. Just Gays, and then only in the Marriage area (Which he does not support but cant understand why it is an issue).

Please stop taking your writing lessons from LW. She loves taking out of context and out right misquoting.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think trying to convince groups of people who think "50 Cent" is a role model is going to be a challenge.

Let's remember we are dealing with people who support moonbats like McKinney who play the race card every chance they get.