Bad News/Good News from Iraq

Crippled people dont move very far or fast.  Nor their organizations.

Is killing someone ever intended to end all violence, or the violence that they are responsible for?

Is killing someone ever intended to end all violence, or the violence that they are responsible for?

Fair point. I don't think anyone expected the former. But the latter isn't the case either.

>A more promising note: attacks on the Iraqi oil pipelines have been non-existent as of late.

give it time!

I am personally on the side of the insurgency/rebellion. I would be doing EXACTLY what they are
currently doing ... if the positions were reversed ... hell I think I would not be so "humane" as
they currently are

then again ... thats just me

>A more promising note: attacks on the Iraqi oil pipelines have been non-existent as of late. give it time! I am personally on the side of the insurgency/rebellion. I would be doing EXACTLY what they are currently doing ... if the positions were reversed ... hell I think I would not be so "humane" as they currently are then again ... thats just me

Ah the voice of the loony left!  Kill Americans cause you hate the president.  You really are pathetic.  A sorry use of a bag of flesh, and brain dead to boot.

Why dont you volunteer to help the insurgency?  Coward?  Yep.

give it time!

Of course, the argument ender: Give it time. Not too different from the Administration's line, we've turned the corner.

I am personally on the side of the insurgency/rebellion.

Why? If you are an American, what benefit does an insurgency victory bring to you?

I would be doing EXACTLY what they are currently doing ... if the positions were reversed ... hell I think I would not be so "humane" asthey currently arethen again ... thats just me

Bravado, bravado. The truth is you'd be defecating in your pants every time you heard something out of the ordinary, praying to Allah that you and your family wouldn't be wisked away by a Shiite death squad...hoping that your wife and daughter wouldn't be raped before your eyes while the enemy was pushing a powerdrill through your temple. And I say this as someone who saw some pretty bad stuff in warfare.

>Why? If you are an American, what benefit does an insurgency victory bring to you?

What does the success of our side bring to me?
Nothing either way.

Reread my comment ... I clearly stated that I would be doing what they are doing (open and violent
rebellion) if the positions were reversed and they had invaded here.

Their victory is the victory of the comman man against an invading force and I AM IN FULL SUPPORT
OF THAT ... no matter how much of our own bleeds for them to gain it.

maybe next time, we will think twice before we try and impose our will on another who hasnt the
means to fight back ... another who hasnt wronged "us"

>Bravado, bravado. The truth is you'd be defecating in your pants every time you heard something
>out of the ordinary, praying to Allah that you and your family wouldn't be wisked away by a
>Shiite death squad...

... no know nothing of me. But Ill play your game:
Shiites' right? arent they the majority in government? our NEW allies?
These death squads ... any different from the Nicaraquan variant Negroponte set up?

>hoping that your wife and daughter wouldn't be raped before your eyes while the enemy was pushing
>a powerdrill through your temple. And I say this as someone who saw some pretty bad stuff in
>warfare.

Good for you.
Obviously you havent seen enough ... or youve chosen NOT TO LEARN anything from it.

AGAIN I support the rebellion against an invasion
whether or not its by sunnis in the so called "insurgency"
or
by nationalistic shiites allied with Moqtadar Al Sadr


I LAUGH at stupid idiotic iraqi's holding:
wedding ceremonies
family gatherings
going to school
building a life an family
while all this is going on

They are complete and utter MORONS.
There should be nothing more that VIOLENT rebellion in the streets. there should be no breathing
or eating or sleeping until the occupation ends by FORCE OF WILL.

So the ones trying to restore their life and finding death ... deserve it. There should be open
rebellion by the entire populace against the coalition ... anything less is a joke ...

"Fair point. I don't think anyone expected the former. But the latter isn't the case either."

No, I think we can be QUITE certain that we've ended the Zarqawi's violence. Killing a violent man need not be justified by ending all violence. Ending his is enough. If others decide to become violent, that's their free will, not the blame of people fighting Zarqawi's wrongs.

"They are complete and utter MORONS. There should be nothing more that VIOLENT rebellion in the streets. there should be no breathing or eating or sleeping until the occupation ends by FORCE OF WILL. So the ones trying to restore their life and finding death ... deserve it. There should be open rebellion by the entire populace against the coalition ... anything less is a joke ..."

And in one breath he shows himself to not only be a proponent of traitorous ideals against the US, but against Iraq, too. It's no surprise that peace isn't something he wants, though, because hateful people rarely seek peace. When they say they do, they are just offering it as a rhetorical tactic.

>hoping that your wife and daughter wouldn't be raped before your eyes while the enemy was pushing
>a powerdrill through your temple.

By the way ... THATS US YOU KNOW
did you read the one about the marine that stalked a young girl for a few days then went into her
place
RAPED HER (while her family was detained by our "noble" troops)
then set her on fire
and put bullet holes through the rest of the family

Shiite deathsquads?
NEA GOOD SIR
tis our "christian" troops

I am still waiting for these idiots that call themselve iraqis to start open rebellion where the
streets are UNWALKABLE and no convoys can fly in or out or deliver food ... just a complete
and utter shutdown of that country

Until then ... they wont have my respect

>And in one breath he shows himself to not only be a proponent of traitorous ideals against the US

Our founding fathers went to OPEN REBELLION against his majesty' forces in order to create what
we have here ... we took up arms to prevent the British from imposing their will

So also must ALL iraqi'. until that happens ... nothing will come of this farce.

I have raised my son and daughter with that mentality.
Love this country enough to defend THE GROUND YOU STAND ON ...
NOTHING MORE!!!

EMPHASIS ON "GROUND YOU STAND ON" NOT GROUND SOMEONE ELSE 4000 MILES AWAY STANDS ON ... that is
"his" territory not yours

Bakerstreet if you think this invasion of Iraq is so noble ...
1-800-usarmy

they are waiting for you
until then ... you are just talk!

maybe next time, we will think twice before we try and impose our will on another who hasnt the means to fight back ...

You're not only a piece of shit, but you're a stupid piece of shit. Last time I checked, Iraq had an army before we defeated it in order to free it's people. If you had any real clue as to what you're vomiting about you'd know that the vast majority of "insurgents" in Iraq are foreign. They aren't Iraqi's you stupid piece of shit.

"Bakerstreet if you think this invasion of Iraq is so noble ... 1-800-usarmy they are waiting for you until then ... you are just talk!"

The insurgency is waiting for you, too. Heck, there are multitudes of anti-US interests you show your sympathy for. Why aren't cheering on CHavez in Venezuala or lobbing rockets into Israel? The US military wouldn't allow me to join now, but age and health won't stop you from wrapping a towel around your face and taking up the banner of jihad... ass.

You're not only a piece of shit, but you're a stupid piece of shit. Last time I checked, Iraq had an army before we defeated it in order to free it's people. If you had any real clue as to what you're vomiting about you'd know that the vast majority of "insurgents" in Iraq are foreign. They aren't Iraqi's you stupid piece of shit.

My only response to the coward has been noted and published. He is a coward every which way as he dares not show his face behind his cowardly words, nor does he back up his idiocy with deeds. Just more hate and death. He is almost as bad as bin Laden. The difference being, one is at lesat ready to stand behind their cowardly ways. He is too cowardly even for that.

I would suggest to Good Point to ban him until he has the cohones to register and debate. A coward dies many deaths. So far, he has died a couple dozen, with many more to go.

>Iraq had an army before we defeated it in order to free it's people.

1. When did that army declare war on us?
2. I didnt hear anything about "freeing" anyone ... all I heard was WMD and its bad dictator
3. How many of its people did we poll before we went in?
4. People are dying in Sudan and North Korea right now
They are dying in the Balkans, and Congo and a few other places ... when are we going to free
them?
5. Are you willing to risk YOUR LIFE or the LIFE OF YOUR SON/DAUGHTER to free the southerners in
the SUDAN ???
if so get a gun and take a flight to a neighboring country (egypt or kenya), cross the border into
Sudan and join "their" resistance

>If you had any real clue as to what you're vomiting about you'd know that the vast majority of >"insurgents" in Iraq are foreign.

Where do you get your news?
JEESH turn off the damn t.v and go to the library and read (READ again I repeat) read what
foreign media is saying about this mess ... read what the media of our allies (timesonline in the
uk ... dies spegel in germany blah blah blah) is saying about the news coming out of that country.

You would be floored.
99% of the rebels are home grown ... thats how the are able to BLEND into the populace you fool.

Go read some of the tactics we learned from vietnam ... those are meanth for rebels swimming in
a sea of SUPPORTERS

If the insurgency and rebellion is foreign .. why is Maliki proposing an AMNESTY and talking
openly to rebel leaders he contacts through sunni imams?

What is Moqtadar Al Sadr's group "the Mahdi army" if Iraqi? Are they jordanian?, iranian?
ANSWER THAT
ANSWER THAT QUESTION
TURN OFF THE T.V AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION


Remember how many of our soldiers they killed in the two uprisings a few years ago.
Guess what ... 5 of our soldiers died in Baghdad today ... trying to arrest a Mahdi Army
battalion leader

OH NO THEY MUST BE FOREIGN
dude you are a fool and I pity you.

Question:
If iraqi's were in this country ... what would you be doing?
if you say anything other than fighting back then you are a COWARD of the highest caliber and
you do not deserve to live in this country.

if there were more men like you when this country was freed from British control ... we would
all be serving her majesty right now

COWARD!!!
They are doing to us what was done to the Russians when they INVADED Afghanistan and its about
time.

Also seems the Taliban are rising again ... good times.
History repeats itself for idiots who fail to take its lesson to heart.

PLEASE
TURN
OFF
THE
T.V
its not helping you "think"

99% of the rebels are home grown

Wow, they must be really lucky because the vast majority of the ones we have captured or killed are not from Iraq.

What is Moqtadar Al Sadr's group "the Mahdi army" if Iraqi?

A minority, dumbass.

OH NO THEY MUST BE FOREIGN dude you are a fool and I pity you.

I pity you your stupidity. When I was in the military I operated in that part of the world and know a hell of a lot more about it than your stupid cowardly ass ever will. I seriously doubt you've ever even been in that part of the world.

I have far more direct information on what is going on there than you ever will. Keep believing the garbage you're being fed and living the cowardly life you lead. You're nothing more than a small piece of shit in a very big bowl.

>The insurgency is waiting for you, too.


they cant cross the atlantic to get here buddy so theres nothing to worry about.
And when they do get here ... I have a surprise for them ... you see I take the
"right to bear arms"
LITERALLY

So does EVERYONE within earshot of me.


We dont have a problem as long as they stay in their country and I stay in mine.
And so far ... it is WE who have violated that rule, so we FULLY DESERVE whats coming to us.
next question

>Why aren't cheering on CHavez in Venezuala

Whats wrong with Chavez in Venezuela ... he was democratically elected although we tried to do a
Mossadegueh or Allende on him and failed.

What he does is his business ... if the Venezuelan people dont like him ... theyll find a way to
remove him peacefully or otherwise ...

I dont think hes going anywhere though ... hes a socialist bringing real change to the struggling
masses ... change not seen in a while in that country ...

Again I dont give a damn about Venezuela ... I am an American ... what Venezuela does is Venezuela'
business

>lobbing rockets into Israel?

Again I have no issues with Israel ... what they do in the middle east is THEIR CONCERN. They can
defend themselves anyway they see fit ... and so can the Palestinians.

Personally neither has the moral high ground in this endless dispute. BOTH have blood on their
hands ... let the god they claim to serve settle it.

If the bibles account is correct these two are cousins ... so it should be interesting what side
"this god both claim to serve" will take in this dispute.

EVERY MAN THINKS GOD IS ON HIS SIDE



>The US military wouldn't allow me to join now,


COWARDDDDDDD

I read in the local paper about how the army signs up retards and functional illeterates. Even a
66 year old lady got the call up.

I think you are the PERFECT NEOCON ... A BLATANT COWARD
you Dr Guy, the Drbison or whatever nick he uses

You all have a thousand excuses just like the people who work for me ... right wingers ... whenever
you say "hey join up or put your son up" they scream:
its a volunteer army (so go volunteer)
I have cataracts (no problem just shoot where you are told)
I have a broken back (fine ... stay in one place and shoot)
I have a family to support (we have social programs for them in the event of your death)


you bastards got a THOUSAND excuses thats why i dont take you seriously and I fear the day when
this country is invaded (because we cant be a super power forever).

you fools will sell us out to the invader in seconds ...

you bastards got a THOUSAND excuses thats why i dont take you seriously and I fear the day when this country is invaded (because we cant be a super power forever). you fools will sell us out to the invader in seconds ...

I served my country and have two Purple Hearts to prove it. Have you? Or are you just another blowhard piece of shit? More likely it's garbage like you who would hand over the country while blowing the invaders.

>I have far more direct information on what is going on there than you ever will.

SHUT THE FUCK UP

you dont have any "special" information other than what you read from the CENTCOM manual idiot.
who are you FOOLING ... who the fuck do you think you are? "captain america"?
put the crack pipe down !!!!!

you must think you are the only one here whos served in the armed forces!
that now makes two of us NIMROD.

this whole shit is bunch of lies ... he asked you a question about the Mahdi Army and you say its
a minority ... do you know how many people have signed up?

How they hell can they be a minority if they went into an uprising against us not once but twice
and the Mahdi is still armed and running Badgdad ???

Didnt we waste like 500 of them the last time ... and they are still running around???
Do you know how large a group you would need to police Bagdgad like the Mahdi Army is doing right
now?

minority my ass
put the fucking crack pipe down

#19 by aldorus_blackwolf (Anonymous user) Sat, July 08, 2006 8:50 PM

Yep, somebody does need to put down the crack pipe alright.

What does the success of our side bring to me? Nothing either way.

Your brothers, your fellow Americans not coming home in body bags?

Reread my comment ... I clearly stated that I would be doing what they are doing (open and violent rebellion) if the positions were reversed and they had invaded here.

Get a clue, there is no analogous situation here. An analogous situation cannot occur here, our countries and our histories could hardly be more different. My statement remains. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were a Sunni in Iraq, you'd be praying the death squads didn't get you. All your statements about what you would do are mere bravado. You wouldn't do a damn thing. I met than a few pussies who sounded a lot like you in Rhodesia; those who talked about what they'd do if they got their hands on a ZANLA terrorist, only to cower in fear when they launched a surprise attack.

Their victory is the victory of the comman man against an invading force and I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT ... no matter how much of our own bleeds for them to gain it.

I'm in support of the actually real existence of my brothers who fight, not some bullshit sentiment of universal "common man." That's for the pussified "one worlders." I'm not even American by birth. I was a British subject of the colony of Rhodesia by birth. But I always had a love for my Anglo-Saxon brothers, regardless of the fact that we were abandoned in our time of need by virtually everyone. Believe this, Rombios. In the near future when the mestizoes in the Southwest secede to establish Aztlan, you'd better not be in my unit, because you wouldn't survive five minutes.

maybe next time, we will think twice before we try and impose our will on another who hasnt the means to fight back ... another who hasnt wronged "us"

There's a way to do that without encouraging the killing of your brothers (that's what my fellow countrymen are--brothers) don't support nation-building exercises, especially among the savages of the Middle East.

no know nothing of me. But Ill play your game: Shiites' right? arent they the majority in government? our NEW allies? These death squads ... any different from the Nicaraquan variant Negroponte set up?

I don't give a damn who's on which team. I don't care that Shiites kill Sunnis, and Sunnis kill Shiites. They are not my people. I care that my brothers are shedding blood for people who hate them. I'm not a supporter of the occupation, and never have been, so your arguments are worthless. Do some background checks before you make a stupid argument.

Good for you. Obviously you havent seen enough ... or youve chosen NOT TO LEARN anything from it.

Mine is a point of view based on experience, four years of counter-insurgency in Rhodesia, mind you; yours is based on nothing but vicariousness. You're like some commie lawyer in the NLG who takes a case pro-bono to support some pinko clown because you don't have the balls to fight themselves.

AGAIN I support the rebellion against an invasion whether or not its by sunnis in the so called "insurgency" or by nationalistic shiites allied with Moqtadar Al Sadr

Please please please, tell me who's fighting in Iraq and why they're fighting. If you think you can sum it up in one parapgraph, here's a clue: youre wrong.

I LAUGH at stupid idiotic iraqi's holding: wedding ceremonies family gatherings going to school building a life an family while all this is going on They are complete and utter MORONS. There should be nothing more that VIOLENT rebellion in the streets. there should be no breathing or eating or sleeping until the occupation ends by FORCE OF WILL. So the ones trying to restore their life and finding death ... deserve it. There should be open rebellion by the entire populace against the coalition ... anything less is a joke ...

Rombios, you are a f'n joke. I would do this...I would do that...I'm a real badass. Internet Guerilla. That's all you are. That's all you'll ever be.

By the way ... THATS US YOU KNOW did you read the one about the marine that stalked a young girl for a few days then went into her place RAPED HER (while her family was detained by our "noble" troops) then set her on fire and put bullet holes through the rest of the family Shiite deathsquads? NEA GOOD SIR tis our "christian" troops

So there are not Shiite death squads that you would have to fear if you were a Sunni? Why exactly did the townspeople believe the perpetrators were just that?

read my comment on terpfan's blog
https://forums.joeuser.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=3&AID=122053#947227

One response to mine is all you get. Cowards need not post on my blog.

Please please please, tell me who's fighting in Iraq and why they're fighting. If you think you can sum it up in one parapgraph, here's a clue: youre wrong.

Best line I've read in a while.

If you two are going to bicker back and forth about Jaish Al-Mahdi, please post some factual information, for your side or agains the other.

According to Insurgency and Counter-Insurgency in Iraq The insurgency is overwhelmingly Sunni Arab, and overwhelmingly native-born. Foreign fighters are perhaps less than 10% of the combatants. The Shiite insurgency is virtually non-existent. Some Shiites have formed death squads and have become active in hunting down Sunnis, especially after the bombing of the Shiite mosque in Samarra in February.

There is also division among the Shiites. Sadrists tend to be the really poor Iraqi Shiites in eastern Baghdad's Sadr City. SCIRI is a Iranian-influenced Iraqi Shiite party with it's own militia, the Badr Corp. From what I read it has been given training and material from Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Many Iraqi Shiites do not trust the organization and view it as an Iranian fifth column. Dawa is another Iraqi Shiite organization with links to Iran, and Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki is the leader of the party.

Foreign fighters are perhaps less than 10% of the combatants.

This simply doesn't jobe with the numbers captured or killed. Perhaps the Iraqis are just amazingly lucky.