Scale - O - Sin

There's been a lot of talk recently about sin.

It seems to be the general consensus in certain circles that homosexuality is a ticket straight to hell....on a par with homicide, almost.

This got me thinking about the varying sins and their 'weightiness', so to speak. Is there such a thing as a 'scale - o - sin', where someone can measure what sin is worse than another? Isn't all sin bad, period? I mean, where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is worse than coveting your neighbor's wife? Why do some people feel it's ok to make lewd comments about women, look at pornography, lie, and cheat - but then turn around and condemn gay people? Isn't one sin as bad as another? Is there a list that I don't know about? Something like 'Top 10 Sins (you really want to avoid these)' as opposed to 'SinsThat Are Sorta OK (everyone does these, don't sweat it)'? And whilst I'm on the subject, isn't being judgemental sinful? I seem to recall Jesus as saying 'Let those of you without sin cast the first stone' (words to that effect, anyway, my recollection of scripture is a little rusty).

I personally think that sin is sin..is sin...is sin...and so on, ad infinitum. According to the bible,I'm a sinner (yes, I read it even though I'm not Christian), and I'm no better than anyone else. Maybe more people, especially those who consider themselves to be righteous Christians, should do the same.


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I agree. Sin is sin, no matter the action. Why should it matter if you "just lied" or killed someone or even "worse" (sarcasticlly said) are a homosexual, which two people i happen to very close to are. It deeply disturbs me that people are so wrapped up in their "God-gracious" world that they don't see the sins that they make themselves, but are the first to condemn someone when they are "worldly."
Reply #2 Top
You know Dharma, your damn right, a sin is a sin, no matter what it is, but as for the whole homosexuality goes, Im not gay but I do have a few friends are and you know I think that they are entitled to the love that they have just as much as I do, so they love the same sex big whoop ya know, Im not gonna condemn them because they love another guy or they love another girl, then that would mean that they would have just as much right to comdemn my right to love my girlfriend and thats a bloody nose coming with that one... you get the jest of it Im sure, but you brought up a valid point and I commend you on it... good work girly rock on.

Adios.
Reply #3 Top
Thank you both...I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

Cann1bal, I like how you write...your style.
Reply #4 Top
Dharma...

If i beleived in Hell... i am as good as there. Let me assure you, Saint Peter aint even bothering with me, because i have no regrets, and i am not repenting... i have had heaps of pre-marital sex... and according to the bible, if i dont repent, i will go to hell... not only will i not repent... i will brag about it!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

BAM!!!
Reply #6 Top
Yeah... me and Muggaz are going to be pretty toasty together, I guess.... although, to be honest... I don't believe in Hell. So, I guess I'm free to actually live my life the way I want to, without fear or regrets.
Reply #7 Top
I don't believe in hell either, Nicky. I think that living your life without fear or regret is the only way to do it...and being responsible for your own actions and choices, not blaming them or the results on an unseen entity is good practice too.

Reminds me of the last stanza of 'Invictus' -

'It matters not how strait the gate
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul'

That's going to be on my memorial marker....
Reply #8 Top
I agree that a sin is a sin. Homosexuality as a lifestyle is, I believe, a sin (pretty clearly biblical), but it's no worse than having a habit of looking at girls sexually, which every straight guy obviously does. So I figure we all have our issues to deal with.

Muggaz, I'm praying for you. Ditto for you, NickyG. Religion aside, it's just not a healthy way to live life.

~Dan
Reply #9 Top
Why isn't it a healthy way to live, Dan? What's wrong with making conscious choices and not regretting them? I don't think that Muggaz and Nicky are talking about making rash decisions, I think they're talking more about doing what they want to, living life on their terms. I personally don't see anything wrong with that.
Reply #10 Top
Dan...

Who are you to tell me i can have pre-marital sexual relations with a girl i had been seeing for 2 years?

Pray for me all you want... If your time is not important to you, go right ahead and waste it. If you think my character is questionable because of this, you are not half the person i thought you were.

The same goes for Nicky and Dharma... all fantastic people...

BAM!!!
Reply #11 Top
making conscious choices and not regretting them


This is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying that every choice that I make is going to be a good one, but I'm not measuring up these choices against someone else's belief system that has a whole lot of 'rules' about living that follow you through eternity. Sorry, that's just not my way of thinking and understanding. I do my best to be a good person, but if I decide to cultivate relationships with women, or enter a relationship that involves more than just two people, there's nothing wrong with it. Not in my world. I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, and I'd just as soon not have anyone doing so to me.

I appreciate you wanting to pray for me, but I don't need it. Thanks, though.
Reply #12 Top
Cool, Nicky, I'm glad we're on the same page (again)..that happens a lot, doesn't it? :)

I do my best to be a good person

I think that that's what's really important, not the gender of the person you fell in love with or the fact that you chose to express you love physically before you were married.
Reply #13 Top
I liked this article... you're right, there is no "scale-o-sin" . There are just greater earthly consequences for sins. Kind of like if you have hate in your heart, and murder someone, they are both sins. But obviously one will have more consequences than the other.

Ditto, Dan... I'm praying for you Muggaz. Why are you so proud about one day burning in hell?
Reply #14 Top
I don't think he's proud of burning in hell one day, I think the point he was trying to make is that he's going to be proud to have lived his life with no regrets, making choices that are his own and taking responsibility for all the things that have happened to him.

Just out of curiosity, what exectly will you being praying for when you pray for him? For your god to guide him? To help him? Perhaps he doesn't want that...perhaps he's happy with who/what he is and like Nicky said doesn't want to measure his choices up against someone else's belief system that's full of rules. I'd still like to know what you're going to pray for when you pray for him though..
Reply #15 Top
Muggaz, when you said, "Saint Peter" I read "Sir Peter" and got all confused. When I realized my mistake, it was hilarious. Guess you just had to be here.

Sir Peter/Saint Peter don't seem to have a whole lot in common.

Trinitie
Reply #16 Top
haha, Trin!

I'm praying that God will put circumstances in his life that will make him turn to God, yes. Really, I think God's agenda is more important than his. Perhaps he's "happy" but when he finds God, he'll find joy unspeakable. The point is not for him to measure his choices up again my belief system that's full of rules. The point is for him to turn to God and be set free from the bondage of sin. See, it seems backwards to you probably, but once you experience it, you can't go back.

Sarah
Reply #17 Top
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
I have decided to follow Jesus
No turning back, no turning back

I'm just picking on you Sarah, but for real, I just got the punk version of that song, AND IT ROCKS!

Trinitie
Reply #18 Top
I actually did type Sir Peter!!!! haha, i changed it when i proof read my post!

Dharma, you know me very well...

Bigdreamer... Hell does't exist for me... There is no such place... Hell for me is work in a Friday afternoon, just counting down the minutes to beer o'clock... And if i rot in that state of mind in the afterlife, so be it... at least i will be happy with the way i lived my life.

Its too bad you cant do what you want, when you want... It's too bad you need to seek validation from a book... I am not getting further drawn into this religious bollix...

BAM!!!
Reply #19 Top
I'm not going to bother responding to each comment individually, because I really only want to say one thing anyway.

Muggaz, I'm going to be honest with you. It irritates me that although you know me to be a person who deals openly with people who don't share my exact beliefs, you felt it necessary to take a pot shot and say: "If you think my character is questionable because of this, you are not half the person i thought you were." You know I respect you, so get over your insecurity;)

The impression that I got from your post is that you go around having sex with no respect for the act whatsoever. "i have had heaps of pre-marital sex... " Your lacksadaisical, "your opinions mean nothing to me" attitude indicate that every night is a one-night stand of some sort. That may not be true, but surely you can see where I'm coming from in the sense of literary analysis.

I pray for you because I believe there is a Hell, and I don't want you to go there. I don't fault you for what you do, but I have to do whatever I can to help. I just have to. And I think you'd understand if you'd stop being so bitter about Christianity..

~Dan
Reply #20 Top
Dan, that was a Pro Level response.

You know I respect you, so get over your insecurity;)


That was the best thing you could have said - compliment, followed by slander.

Brilliant.

*clap* X2

Do what you have to do mate... Thanks for understanding

BAM!!!

Reply #21 Top
Ok, this might sound weird, but I'd rather burn in hell with Muggaz than be stuck in heaven with the likes of Marvin.
Reply #22 Top
Yeah, if you have to compare where certain people may end up on this theory of delegating souls due to lifestyle and experience, I'm with you guys... Heaven sounds like a very judgemental, restrictive, and self-righteous place, in some mouths. Hell, at least, sounds like a place where I am apt to meet up with some good people, in this light.
Reply #23 Top
It doesnt sound weird, Mack, not at all. I feel that way too.
Reply #24 Top
Hey Trinitie, who's the punk version by? I think I should get it... lol :o)

Sarah
Reply #25 Top
Muggaz- I just don't know... which parts are serious and which parts aren't? *confused* Meanwhile, I'll just say thank you and take it on good faith that you can't help but worship me at every opportunity:)

"Ok, this might sound weird, but I'd rather burn in hell with Muggaz than be stuck in heaven with the likes of Marvin."

Mack, I would agree too... except that there will be more fundamentalist Christians in Hell than Heaven. Fundamentalist Christians, in my opinion, are people who separate God from religion. Without God, there's no chance of heaven. Jesus even spoke of the hypocritical pharisees (the religious orthodox leaders of the day), "you must be better than these to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Marvin, if you're reading this, now you know why it's important not to be dogmatic. You're giving Christianity a bad name.

~Dan