How long until -Take the deal- fervor starts?

It won't be long I'm sure. We'll start having a stream of weenies telling us all that we should take the deal. Take it while we can. It's the best we're gonna get. Take the deal. Take the deal. Take it!

What deal you ask?

The proposed deal by the insurgents in Iraq. The proposed deal to cease hostilities if the U.S. promises to leave Iraq in 2008.

We'll certainly see and hear, in the next few days, a lot of commentary by those that want us to abandon any chance at victory. We'll hear the Jack Murthas, Cindy Sheehans, John Kerrys, and others of the liberal bent telling us all that this is the best solution for us and for Iraq. Never mind letting the Iraqi's really make the decision, and never mind really letting the Iraqis bring themselves up to speed without regard to artificial time tables and pressures. It'll all be about taking the deal while it's there. Ending hostilities, even with out guarantee that they'll really end.

It'll be talked about as if we can be assured that we don't lose more lives in Iraq, but all that will really happen is a slow and steady regrouping by the insurgents. They'll have a few conventions, some family reunions, get together for some cookouts, and start working on their plans for the big party they expect to throw in '08. They'll be waiting for the opportunity to effect change their way, the terrorist way. They'll be waiting for their chances to assinate the Iraqi leadership, and for chances to build their own little empires in the country. They may wait and let hospitals, schools and other infrastructure to be rebuilt, but it's all gonna be just to give them new targets to take out when they don't get their way later.

Should we take the deal? Should the Iraqis take the deal?

The correct answer is no. It may not be the answer the left wants to hear. It may not be the answer our allies want to hear. But it's the right answer.

No conditional surrender/cease fires. Cease hostilities once and for all and then we will draw down troops as the security of the Iraqi people allows. If it's 2008, great. If it's 2007 even better. But there shouldn't be a timer set waiting to go ding! at some point in the future. It has to be when the country is stable, when the Iraqi people are able to safely walk the streets, go to schools, go shopping, go to work, and do the things that are part of a normal life. That is the victory we and they both deserve.
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(I'm betting that the Clueless Old Liberal is the first JU member to start crying "take the deal!")
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I say we take the deal! - Roll it up into a tube, pack it with gunpowder, attach a fuse and shove it into a terrorist's rectu...

Oh wait. Is this a family friendly website?
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Nope it aren't.

Only censor your article titles and it's fine.. So far I know anyway.

Anyway... IMHO, we shouldn't deal with criminals or terrorists. (Did I repeat myself?)
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Never mind letting the Iraqi's really make the decision, and never mind really letting the Iraqis bring themselves up to speed without regard to artificial time tables and pressures. It'll all be about taking the deal while it's there. Ending hostilities, even with out guarantee that they'll really end.


1. Iraqis should not be making the decisions about our troops being in harms way, or about how much financial investment America has made in their country. That's for us to decide.
2. The Iraqi government will never bring themselves up to speed if they don't have to. It's much easier and efficient to have Americans do the fighting and dying in battle.
3. The Iraqi government officials and businessmen can grow wealthy from corruption stemming from the inflow of American dollars.

Bottom line: there's no incentive for the Iraqi government to let America leave Iraq.

It'll be talked about as if we can be assured that we don't lose more lives in Iraq, but all that will really happen is a slow and steady regrouping by the insurgents. They'll have a few conventions, some family reunions, get together for some cookouts, and start working on their plans for the big party they expect to throw in '08. They'll be waiting for the opportunity to effect change their way, the terrorist way. They'll be waiting for their chances to assinate the Iraqi leadership, and for chances to build their own little empires in the country. They may wait and let hospitals, schools and other infrastructure to be rebuilt, but it's all gonna be just to give them new targets to take out when they don't get their way later.


Do you have any clue as to what's going on there? Please do me a favor and name a couple other insurgent groups besides Al Qaeda in Iraq.

The Shiites have their own militias that form a strong backbone in the Iraqi Army and Police. Whenever the Sunnis car bomb a Baghdad market, Shiite militias round up some Sunnis, torture them, kill them, and dump their bodies in the Tigris. The Shiites are plenty capable of defending themselves. In fact, they're capable of launching some devastating attacks on the Sunnis.

The Sunnis fight because we are there. They fight because we shamed them. Frankly, I don't care about their honor, but obviously they do. Let the Sunnis and Shiites duke it out. It will happen sooner or later, and we can't stay in the line of fire forever trying to prevent the inevitable from happening. Employ several task forces to operate against the international jihadist element there. We don't need an endless, $30 billion-a-month, or however much it is costing, occupation to operate against them. How many tours of duty do you expect our troops to serve in Iraq?

According to the story I read, the insurgent groups who made the offer are Sunni Arab nationalists. It would be dumb to just take their word that they would stop attacks. I'd propose terms on them. They must seriously attack the Jihadist network in the country, or at least help us destroy them in the meantime. Additionally, not a single attack on our troops.

We'd also have to hold back the Shiites militias to ensure they don't go on a rampage against Sunnis.
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Surprisingly, or not, so far I have not heard any calls to take the deal.  It would be a colossal mistake (you cannot make a deal with people who have no honor), so I think Kerry, Dean et. al are keeping their yaps shut on this one.
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I seem to remember a "deal" made in a little known corner of the desert called "Safwan".  Accoring to myth and legend, the "deal" was that, if we (The U.S. Led coalition) quit raining fire and steel down on the poor, innocent Republican Guard and Iraqi Conscripts, Hussein would comply with a few conditions.

And so we held that "deal" in our hearts, the UN even gave it their blessing, passing a Resolution based on it... and there was much rejoicing... yea....

The Safwan Accords became the Ceasefire of 91... the crown jewel of the power and humanitarian spirit of the U.S. the Coalition and the UN.  Peace was achieved and we all felt wonderful...

I'm wondering something... was the ink even dry before Hussein took it in his left hand and used it for toilet paper on his ample, smelly butt?

History has shown 1 thing about ceasefires and "peace" initiatives.  They aren't worth the paper they are printed on.  All they do is bring an unending echo of the war for generations.  The only real end to any war is the unconditional surrender of one side.  The only real unconditional surrender is only achieved by completely and utterly destroying the enemy's ability to continue the fight.

I can't think of ONE ceasefire agreement that didn't haunt us for decades.