Hehe yur funny  . You are a true product of your media, trying to take one bite of my statement and turn it back on me with no other discussion but to attack the discussion itself. Do you work for FOX News?

My one word substitute.

"Ooh, ya got me there.  I take it all back.  Can't possibly doubt the UN US.  Nope.  Never.  Good outfit, never suspect.  My shame is overwhelming me right now so I think I'll call it a night & head to bed.  Perhaps, if I'm lucky, I'll wake up dead in the morning so as to avoid continued mortification.  Thank you, sir.  May I have another?"

Don't get me wrong, Americans are a great people just like everyone on this planet but they need to realize what there own government is doing to them and the world. Try turning off the TV and reading a book . 

You know less than you think. Certainly nothing about me. But you presume to know a lot. You are welcome to those presumptions, but don't presume them to be persuasive or evidence of superior intellect. Obviously, my retirement for the evening was delayed. Till tomorrow, assuming I'm still here.

Daiwa, why does it eventually seem to come to name calling or other insults or stupid ‘one liners’... is the question? You have clearly demonstrated your purported intelligence just based on your total lack of anything … besides your big mouth.   Following is the totality of your spoken word on the subject, go figure.   

I am afraid you will have to dig a little deeper in your MSM archives if you plan on improving your ‘arguments (?)”

Serious is as serious deserves.

Exactly...  ... the proof is in the responese as I stated and you have proved nothing whatsoever as expected.

Good luck on this one ... does the MSN have any books for them to read?  We are around the 400 billion mark in Afghanistan right now and still progressing with the world view tucked away in some corner where it won’t interfere with the spread of “Freedom and Democracy”.

Yea, we are true to out word yet again. Till the job is done ... and what job would that be?

 

This clip brings some light to the ‘official story’ of the death of OBL. Think back to the original story … Has anyone interviewed the wife yet? That should be interesting.

 Minutes felt like hours in bin Laden raid - http://youtu.be/WzNzVQSmIac

 

Burden's not on me.  Nice try, though.

Just keep your eyes squeezed shut and your hand tight over your ears and keep screaming LALALALALALALALALALALA. Must be nice to live in the land of fairies and leprechauns.

@BT The one post has 2 of the same video (I think 1 vid/post) and the other post says video not available.

I wonder how many houses those seals raided before finally getting Bin Laden?

Who's living where, and with what appendage over/in what orifice is open to speculation.

I have been looking back through 30 pages of posts on different articles and it seems that "one liners" is just about all the time Daiwa has to spend on his views. Whatever ... don't expect much more I guess.

If we wern't spending militarily aroune the world, we might actually be able to satisfy some real humanitarian efforts. Or is Haiti just another Darfur where there just isn't enough resources there to interest the USG... 
 
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If you think you'll succeed in baiting or shaming me in some way, you're thinkin' wrong.  In the interest of saving neurons & synapses, I economize by engaging them in mostly worthwhile pursuits.  Playing your silly game isn't one of them, beyond its entertainment value.

I have to agree with BT that I am very open to discussion and Daiwa does not seem to want to offer anything to the discussion. Thanks though Daiwa NitroCruiser for pointing me to the NK article which I most defiantly made an error with pointing to an older post and got me into reading more about the issue which I wish everyone did and had the opportunity to make an unbiased opinion. At the same time though it seem you dont even look at the thoughts or links of others and just keep posting attacks on a negative attitude towards the thread. I am open to any and all discussion about any of opinion links that are posted but I am most against biased propaganda pages like the CFR link that was posted. Remember unbiased links and I will be happy to discuss.

Attacks?  Not by my definition, but YMMV.

And the NK article was cited/offered up by NitroCruiser.  Credit where credit is due.

Agreed and amended. 

My main point being one can always find an article/video to support their opinion. While one's favorite search engine might be a start, it's always going to point you to where someone else wants you to go. Drilling down is a bit harder than is seems. Additionally one must get past the penis envy that many folks in other countries hold toward the US, either out right or sub-consciously. It's human nature to want to see the giant diminished somehow, as it makes one feel better about themselves, or a host of other identifiers. Ever see in-depth discussions on any foreign governments on JU? Topics have come up time to time, but never draw much traffic. I don't believe it's due to lack of interest (people should be interested in the world around them), but more lack of relevance to the majority of commenter's.

Now your lack of military knowledge is showing (though I didn't suspect you had any). I bet you think it's the explosive (from the torpedo warhead) that sinks a ship? Well, here's a little education for you. It's the rising gas bubble after the explosion that creates a void under the ship and breaks it's keel. A torpedo is basically two parts the warhead and the propulsion system. Just like a bottle rocket often leaves the "tail", in is quite common that large parts of spent torpedoes survive the blast. The surrounding water practically insures that.

Have you ever seen a US MK 46, or an MK 48 ADCAP torpedo? If you have you could never compare what was hauled up as anything but North Korean.  Still funny? Tell you what I find funny, someone that assumes others are as naive on a particular subject as they are. Elitists crack me up.

As for the sinking it happened in disputed waters, nowhere near exercises. And people wonder why there is so much crap on the internet. Thanks for doing you part.

BTW do you believe the Russians would care about Canadian mineral rights in the Arctic (or the Norwegians, for that matter), if CAD didn't have the US as an ally? How about if we (the US) were as powerful as oh lets say a country like... Canada? You have the luxury to "what" a smaller less involved US military. Imagine if you had to pay for a deterrent to defend all that territory (in addition to all the social programs). Nearly a 10th of all able bodied Canadians would have to be in the military. Don't worry a lot of people here complain while holding out their hand too. 

How's the postal strike going? Give them a raise all ready. It is "workers of the world unite" right?

Haha, nice how you left out that the US also does not recognize CANs claims. I guess since the US thawed out the North West Passage it is not Canada. 

WTF  . Ya its going to cause our government to collapse. 

Another  You Tube video (apparently the official source of information for the Canadian left).... it must be true. Post me a CIA caused 9/11 video, I haven't see one in awhile. You know who else liked film? Goebbels. Me, I prefer written info from multiple sources. Much easier to extract the BS.

 

It's been a long time since the US attacked it's Neighbor. Russia? Well they attacked a neighbor over a lot less territory (Georgia) in 2008. Bet you can't sleep worrying about the coming US invasion. 

:'( :'( :'( :'(  

 Ah not just a military novice, but a man-made global warming zealot as well. Enjoy you Northern Beach front.

[quote who="myfist0" reply="43" id="2948339"]Quoting Nitro Cruiser, reply 42

How's the postal strike going? Give them a raise all ready. It is "workers of the world unite" right?

No just giving Canadians that want to fix the US, without knowing jack shit about certain topics, something simple in their own country to work on. For folks that worry about the US butting in, maybe they should look at themselves.

You know Myfist0, for a liberal you had a few good points in past comments, perhaps you should stick to that material. You're too easily swayed by material you so badly want to believe is true, and while it really highlights your left side, it does little to further your view. I believe the last election in Canada demonstrates that.

There's always Cuba, right?

  

 

 

I have to admit I do get off track into stuff I am not up on but am open to opinion. There is always another story not supplied by the MSM.

 

That video was made by SOUTH KOREA. Their version of CNN. I do my best showing and knowing sources.

Global warming I am starting to go with the NA side for now. I have read a few stories (did you post them?) that can make you go WTF. I sure as hell am not into some carbon tax. And all that land up there is Crown Land, Canadians will never see a dime of money made up there. Take all the crown land you like, let the British defend it.

Please don't label me. 

To me Canada does not have a parliament for the people. It is a PR firm for the Queen. All the guys we get to vote for work for the same boss. Left wing or right wing, it is still the same beast with multiple heads for the parties.

 

 

The thread is titled "Situation in Afghanistan", Americans are not military there. If we went off into America be an empire I am pretty sure that is of Global concern where that postal strike in not even a national concern in Canada. You have people pushing nukes into place and your pointing to a water balloon fight.

Everyone is guilty of looking for information in all the wrong places from the perspective of their opposition. Is there something wrong with that? Maybe I am supposed to use your sources? As to assumptions, I think you have made quite a few of your own. A difference in opinion is only a difference in opinion so I don’t understand why such personal offense is taken. You seem knowledgeable in military matters but that has little value if you cannot look outside the ‘official story’ too. The military perspective is not the only one there is.

As to GW … what part don’t you believe? Are we not experiencing global warming? Are we not polluting the planet? Are we not releasing greenhouse gasses in abundance to the atmosphere? We are not surprised at GW … are we? Maybe it would be easier in you might enlighten me here? I am also taking the 5th at the moment because I have been reading information from people I admire and trust that seems to disagree with my thoughts, so I am going to have to revisit GW to clear things up … for myself. As to what they are doing for and against are a different matter and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

There is not going to be an American Invasion. Look at what we do to our supposed friends. The USG will not attack anyone who is remotely capable of biting back in a big way. This is the time of proxies and dirty backroom deals of course as usual. Don’t worry about Russia; they will be glad to play in time. And I thought we were talking about Afghanistan…  Nitro, what was the reason we are still there, I forgot in all the jibberjabber.

I see. Do you trust the "US" CNN? They speculate just as much as any "news" organization, and there certainly is speculation in that piece. There are people in South Korea that will do whatever it takes to appease N. Korea for whatever reason. It's not whether you or I disagree or agree with it, there are holes in it (no pun intended). In addition to information before and during the time the details of the sinking was being made public, one only has to ask why fake it when this administrations first act was to defuse the the situation. South Korea had/has no intention of attacking the North.

If the US wanted to attack North Korea, the Pueblo would have been a much better excuse. With the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the war was all ready started (by the French and South Vietnamese). Anyway, Obama just has to say "he's protecting" N. Korean citizens from Kim Jong Il's ruthlessness. It worked for Libya.

Here, I believe you'll get a kick out of this:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/cana-j08.shtml

As for the main topic, Afghanistan. I realize many are whining that we are there for place the name of a resource here. I just ask this, if that is the case, why didn't the US just move in when the Soviet Union left? Oil was popular then too (If you'll recall the first Gulf War was, by some accounts, "for the oil", a favorite anti-war cry. I'm still waiting for all this "free" oil that we liberated, the first and second time. Maybe the Chinese, who got the drilling contracts, will give us a price break? I doubt it. 

 

Nitro, The USG doesn't go around blazing her guns anymore while imperializing the world ... except as a last resort. The world is run from fear, intimidation and propaganda. Why do you think our founding fathers wanted civilian leadership as opposed to the military? When I speak about the injustice caused by the USG and their military and covert assets, I am deriding the reasoning that gets us involved in these quagmires. Our military is what it is and overall is about the best in the world and they do outstanding work … but that is part of the problem. They have been brainwashed to military discipline and they believe whatever they are told to be true. But there has been plenty of time and much more forthcoming information is available … people need to revisit their own reasoning.

The truth of the matter is that Bush and company had Iraq in their sights even prior to 9/11 and would have gotten us there one way or another. But had the felonious charges of verified WMD and a nuclear weapons program not been hyped, well they would have found another way. You knew before you asked the question about N. Korea why we cannot just clobber them, but you still brought it up as some argument, go figure. Very little today is what it appears to be. I have easily found enough information on the net to convince myself of this fact. All one has to do is listen to any of our elite masters to see this with our own senses.

As to the article, interesting, but it is from a socialist website and it is discussing a conservative government policy, go figure. If this interested me personally, I would thence have to verify this with other information as I mostly try to do nowadays.

Because we weren’t there remember. Many countries financially and through weapons sails aided the mujahideen. USG was ~600 million per year and was matched by the others collectively. The US had no mentionable role there and of course and with no military presence either... But the defeat of the Soviet invasion and forthcoming collapse of the USSR made the US more haughty and arrogant. We were aiding an enemy under the guise of “The enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend”. We were fighting communism as al Qaeda had just been created by OBL. Islamofascism had to be hyped first to properly prepare the sheeple of America with an excuse to wage war and the spread of USG style of freedom and democracy is always a big part of the stated reasons.

I wrotethis blog in 2006 and there is a sense of deja vu when we read this piece. Almost all that I said has come true and USA is fast losing control over large swathes of Afghanistan. The real reason is that right from the word go, the US policy, much against the better judgement of many in the US Congress, was a poisoned chalice. By making Pakistan the key ally in this war, USA has unwittingly sown the seeds of its own defeat as Pakistan at every step has sought to weaken and ubvert US interets in Afghanistan. The only solution now is to carve out a Pashtun state and hand it over to the Taliban and as I have laways said they will be busy killing each other, but the world can forget Afgahanistan. Cynical, but this is the only solution.

I have a brother in Afghanistan, on his second tour.

One eye opening situation he has brought to my attention.

Farmers in Afghanistan would be more then happy to produce fruits and vegetables because they can earn a decent profit from this. The problem. the Taliban / local Warlords force them to grow drug crops under threats.

Ultimately, when a farmer is growing a drug crop, it is at gun point, and they make no profit from it (because the local warlord / Taliban is appropriating said crop). Additionally, local farmers do not have the organization or connections to profit from a drug crop, but there are governmental systems in place to bring food crops to market.

I am curious why local farmers are not protected from such a thing?

The anecdotal story: After some hostile exchanges in the field, they were told to camouflage their vehicles with local fauna on their patrol route. Yep, a 100KM by 100KM crop of Ganja was the local fauna.

You know how smart ass specialized soldiers can be... When they came back to base, they were told to burn their camouflage, but to make sure they were down wind when they did so.

You don't here about things like this in the media.