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singrdave
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Reply #26 June 24, 2006 5:49:21 PM
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Where exactly does Santorum or Hoekstra say anything about any yellowcake?


Were did Ted? Selective editing?
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Reply #27 June 24, 2006 9:32:12 PM
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Were did Ted? Selective editing?


In case you didn't notice, the picture is of a yellowcake container.
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Reply #28 June 24, 2006 10:51:21 PM
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Davad:

Oh, so what you weren't refering to Dave's article at all, just bringing in a red herring to make your point?
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Reply #29 June 24, 2006 11:01:31 PM
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The found "WMD's" that are being hyped my Santorum and Hoekstra are the same pre 1991 degraded shells that the report addressed.

In case you didn't notice, the picture is of a yellowcake container.


Yes, that is yellowcake, and that's not an artillery shell either. Those fins on the side are to keep the large package of Uranium from getting too warm from the fission it's always undergoing. The guy in the foreground is a Greenpeace activist trying to turn it over to the 1st Armored Division soldier.

The picture, from Greenpeace's own website, is dated July 2003.

Santorum and Hoekstra, in reporting on the declassified document, are summarizing the findings of the last three years. While they are not specifically mentioning yellowcake, you can't deny fact. The fact is those peace activists found a boatload of yellowcake (unenriched uranium) ready for processing. Three years ago.

Hmmm...
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Reply #30 June 24, 2006 11:07:24 PM
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Apparently, unless it is put in a bomb and and stuffed up Davad or ColGene, Santorum or Hoekstra's butt, it isn't really WMD.
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Reply #31 June 24, 2006 11:13:10 PM
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I noticed that COL Gene is trumpeting his own WMD findings and won't address that nice pretty picture I posted. Again with the "hmmm..."
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Reply #32 June 24, 2006 11:59:05 PM
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Davad:

Oh, so what you weren't refering to Dave's article at all, just bringing in a red herring to make your point?


What are you talking about? I was responding directly this in his post;

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."


Apparently, unless it is put in a bomb and and stuffed up Davad or ColGene, Santorum or Hoekstra's butt, it isn't really WMD.


It's not for me to say what's a WMD and what's not. I'll leave that to the experts, as I did in post #4.
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Reply #33 June 25, 2006 2:05:07 AM
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Davad, so why do you whine on and on about shells full of old sarin when that isn't the only thing the article addressed? Unless you are trying to say that the container in the pic is just a shell full of old chemicals.

The fact is, yellow cake was found in Iraq... that shows he HAD WMD... why can't you just admit that?
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Reply #34 June 25, 2006 8:40:22 AM
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Davad, so why do you whine on and on about shells full of old sarin when that isn't the only thing the article addressed? Unless you are trying to say that the container in the pic is just a shell full of old chemicals.

The fact is, yellow cake was found in Iraq... that shows he HAD WMD... why can't you just admit that?


Because I don't believe Greenpeace. I don't have anything that shows otherwise, but don't you think that the administration would be trumpeting that discovery if it were true? However, there is credible information that the part about "WMD" shells is a gross exaggeration.
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Reply #35 June 25, 2006 9:02:30 AM
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Here is some more info from Greenpeace about yellowcake in Iraq;

Uranium and other nuclear material stored under UN control in Iraq until the fall of Saddam Hussein have been stolen and local residents are reportedly displaying symptoms of radiation poisoning. Six weeks after the occupying forces took control of the country, the US finally conceded that the UN nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), could return to assess what has been stolen at part of one site, Tuwaitha. Yet the IAEA has been refused access to the nearby population or to other sites it wants to visit, in contravention of UN resolutions.Link So apparently it was the UN that had WMD's in Iraq, and not Saddam.
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Reply #36 June 25, 2006 10:24:56 AM
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Okey, so now Greenpeace is just a puppet org for the Bush administration and the UN had this yellowcake before Hussein did?

The 'shrooms must be in season at the house of Davad. :~D
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Reply #37 June 25, 2006 2:24:43 PM
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In case you didn't notice, the picture is of a yellowcake container.

So you were trying to drag it off topic again since you cannot debate the topic at hand.  Typical.

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Reply #38 June 25, 2006 2:26:45 PM
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Because I don't believe Greenpeace.

That will come back to haunt you.  Soon, you will not believe anyone except Mickey Moron!  As he will be the only one that supplies you with the lies to carry on your deception.

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Reply #39 June 25, 2006 4:24:08 PM
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Okey, so now Greenpeace is just a puppet org for the Bush administration and the UN had this yellowcake before Hussein did?


No, didn't say or imply that they were puppets of anyone.

Greenpeace are the ones who found the yellowcake and said it was under the control of the UN before the invasion, not me.
So you were trying to drag it off topic again since you cannot debate the topic at hand. Typical.


How was I dragging it off-topic? singrdave's article talks about both the shells that were found and the yellowcake. Adressing the topic is off-topic? That is exactly the sort of logic that I've come to expect from you.
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Reply #40 June 25, 2006 4:44:45 PM
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"Apparently, unless it is put in a bomb and and stuffed up Davad or ColGene, Santorum or Hoekstra's butt, it isn't really WMD.


You can bet if it came through a UAE controlled port it would be. If a slingshot came through a port Bush would be allowing deadly terrorist weapons through.
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Reply #41 June 25, 2006 4:45:58 PM
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Because I don't believe Greenpeace

Okay, so let's think about this. What were they doing in Iraq anyway? Greenpeace was saving all those poor Iraqis from American imperialism. Greenpeace, king of environmentalists everywhere, hates President Bush and everything he stands for. Especially the invasion and toppling of Saddam.

While there, they find this big honkin' industrial-size canister of uranium. What on earth are they gonna do with it? They certainly can't leave it where it is, since they're environmentalists and they want to get radioactive substances out of public consumption. So they try to turn it over to the US Army.

It's not about Bush-bashing or a coverup at that point, it's about getting the dangerous uranium out of the hands of unshielded innocents. Since, as you pointed out, it had been stolen from a weapons depot in Tuwaitha just after the fall of Saddam:
Uranium and other nuclear material stored under UN control in Iraq until the fall of Saddam Hussein have been stolen


The UN didn't put it there, davad. The UN agency IAEA was aware of it before the invasion, and they had it under IAEA seals in a locked warehouse. And it got looted.

My point in linking the two stories is that there is ample evidence of pre-war WMDs in Iraq, despite the shrill screaming of 'No WMD in Iraq' and 'false pretenses' and 'Bush lied' from the press and the moonbats.
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Reply #42 June 25, 2006 5:21:01 PM
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Support... even from enemies of the Bush administration and those completely opposed to the invasion of Iraq!
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Reply #43 July 10, 2006 10:47:40 PM
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The silence is deafening... hope this article brought out some overlooked points in the call to invade Iraq.
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Reply #44 July 11, 2006 2:46:04 AM
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The silence is deafening...hope this article brought out some overlooked points in the call to invade Iraq.


surely is and surely did.

among the points not receiving enuff attention is how and why it wasn't immediately secured.
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Reply #45 July 18, 2006 11:18:38 AM
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among the points not receiving enuff attention is how and why it wasn't immediately secured.

Yes, someone should do a "Where Are They Now?" on the car-sized barrel of yellowcake. That's something the environmentalists would like to know, I'm sure.
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Reply #46 July 18, 2006 5:31:27 PM
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something the environmentalists would like to know


i guess i wasn't clear enuff.

what i meant was this: if the un inspectors knew the material existed as well as where it was being stored and since that information was made available to the administration and since one object of the invasion was to deny hussein's goverment use of such dangerous material (yellowcake having played such a significant role in the run-up to the war), why the hell wasn't it immediately secured?

it's less an environmental question than one of competence and common sense.
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