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June 22, 2006 12:37:59 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
Their cut and run policy failed again. How many times do these cowards need to be told that we will not surrender?

WASHINGTON - The Senate has rejected a proposal to make the Bush administration withdraw all combat troops from Iraq in the next year. It was the first of two votes today on Democratic proposals to pull troops out of Iraq. Democrats demanded that the U.S. begin withdrawing troops from Iraq this year, while Republicans echoed President Bush's call to stay the course ahead of Senate votes on Thursday that illustrate the choice facing voters in midterm elections this fall.


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Reply #1 June 22, 2006 4:55:44 PM
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Surrender? Who's asking for a surrender? I don't blame you for using the same buzz words and talking points that your beloved GWB uses.

Do you think the soldiers that are over there fighting and dying would consider getting to come home "surrender"? I doubt it. The ones that I know feel like they've completed their mission.
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Reply #2 June 22, 2006 4:58:16 PM
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Also...

This is another example of Dems trying to do something that they believe in, but getting shot down by the GOP. I've heard over and over around here from conservatives that the Dems have no ideas, accomplish nothing, etc. Then when they try to do something that they believe in, they're labeled as failures.
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Reply #3 June 22, 2006 5:24:52 PM
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Do you think the soldiers that are over there fighting and dying would consider getting to come home "surrender"? I doubt it. The ones that I know feel like they've completed their mission.


You must have a small pool of soldier friends.

Many of them will still tell you the job isn't finished and that they are there to do what must be done.
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Reply #4 June 22, 2006 5:35:53 PM
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Surrender? Who's asking for a surrender? I don't blame you for using the same buzz words and talking points

Umm, retreat then? And isn't retreat a sign too?

Do you think the soldiers that are over there fighting and dying would consider getting to come home "surrender"? I doubt it. The ones that I know feel like they've completed their mission.

You must have a small pool of soldier friends. Many of them will still tell you the job isn't finished and that they are there to do what must be done.

Yup! Though nobody I know who is currently in Iraq (4th ID, Fort Hood TX; assorted others) is happy to be there, all of them know coming home is not an option.
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Reply #5 June 22, 2006 5:38:15 PM
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Surrender? Who's asking for a surrender? I don't blame you for using the same buzz words and talking points that your beloved GWB uses.


That is a laugh! You have yet to address an issue, just spout DNC talking points! We need you around. If only to remind us of what failure looks like.
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Reply #6 June 22, 2006 8:39:22 PM
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All the previous posts summed up what I was going to say.

Withdrawing the troops before the mission is finished is surrender, retreat, or whatever you want to call it. Oh wait, let's see the DNC talking point calls it "redeployment".

Remember when a democratic President took our troops out early, and how osama talked about how weak we are because of it. Same thing here.

This is another example of Dems trying to do something that they believe in, but getting shot down by the GOP.


This is just something I could not ignore. The democrats DON'T believe in this. This is nothing but a ploy to try to win some votes. The problem is like everything democrats do pretty much backfires. Myself, and most of America still have no idea what the democratic stance is on Iraq.

You have Howard Dean still talking about they were "lied" to, although they can never tell you specifically about what or when. Which doesn't matter to the media because they never follow up with it. Then you have Hillary which can't decide whether she's for or against withdrawing troops. I shouldn't have to tell you about Kerry's stance because he changes it with every interview he does.
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Reply #7 June 22, 2006 10:15:17 PM
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Funny, none of the soldiers I know in Iraq and Afghanistan, some my relatives, believe the mission is completed nor do they believe we should just pull out. It would be a great dishonor to those who have given their lives for this mission to abandon it before it's completion and have the terrorists thinking they drove us out.
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Reply #8 June 22, 2006 11:16:03 PM
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You must have a small pool of soldier friends.

Many of them will still tell you the job isn't finished and that they are there to do what must be done.


You're right, it is not a huge pool, I didn't say it was. I don't doubt that many would say that. Unfortunately, many (42%) of them don't even fully understandd what their mission is, and 92% think the war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11. Link

It would be a great dishonor to those who have given their lives for this mission to abandon it before it's completion and have the terrorists thinking they drove us out.


What in your estimation would signal that the mission is complete? When the day comes that there is no more insurgency?

The problem is like everything democrats do pretty much backfires.


How did it "backfire"? Because it was voted down?

Myself, and most of America still have no idea what the democratic stance is on Iraq.


Are you saying this because not every single Democrat wants the same thing to happen? Because everyone of them is not on the exact same page?
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Reply #9 June 22, 2006 11:29:55 PM
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Quoting a Zogby poll.

http://www.democracy-project.com/archives/002387.html

How did it "backfire"? Because it was voted down?


Because democrats thought once again that this was "their moment".

Are you saying this because not every single Democrat wants the same thing to happen? Because everyone of them is not on the exact same page?


Democrats aren't even on the same book. Tell me then what the democratic stance is on Iraq.
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Reply #10 June 22, 2006 11:35:12 PM
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What in your estimation would signal that the mission is complete? When the day comes that there is no more insurgency?

It's been clearly stated. When the Iraqis have a stable government in place that is capable of defending and policing the country without our aid.

Once they are capable of handling their situation they don't need us there. Until then we're there to see that it happens. They're making progress in that direction but still have a long way to go.
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Reply #11 June 22, 2006 11:48:01 PM
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Democrats aren't even on the same book. Tell me then what the democratic stance is on Iraq.


I realize every one of them is not on the exact same page, just as all of the GOP is not. The majority of the party believe that the time to start withdrawing/redeploying is now.

The proposals that were made by Dems have been extensively covered in the media and are readily available for your reading pleasure.

Link
Link
Link

Here's another plan, put together by the most prominent Democrat/Progressive think tank.
Link

If you read all these plans, you will see that the gist of them all is basically the same.
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Reply #12 June 22, 2006 11:56:18 PM
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It's no surprise most of the party wants to retreat. However, as Hillary just found out, the democrats can't please their loon base unless they call for total surrender. What is a democrat to do? If they run to the center like Hillary did, the loon base will not support them. If they stay with the loon base the "center" will not support them. I have been watching the democrats on tv about this. I will agree though, the democrats do have a plan for Iraq.....it's called failure.

The point of this is that the democrats made this out to be their "big move", and it failed.
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Reply #13 June 23, 2006 1:14:38 AM
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The point of this is that the democrats made this out to be their "big move", and it failed.


I think their "big move", will come in the mid-term elections.

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Reply #14 June 23, 2006 7:40:16 AM
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I think their "big move", will come in the mid-term elections.


I doubt it.
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Reply #15 June 23, 2006 7:50:04 AM
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I think their "big move", will come in the mid-term elections.


I doubt it.


No, Davad is right for a change. The democrats big move will come in November. Where they do their favorite move. Retreat.
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