Bush has Given our Military the WRONG Mission!

Darn it, I was hoping you were sitting on your lover, Zarqawi's lab when he was taken out.

ParaTed2k

The truth is hard to accept!. This Blog is VERY REAL and describes the cause for MOST of the BAD NEWS out of Iraq! Tell me Bush is not responsible!

Another useless, factless article by col. I notice you start new articles when you can't answer the posts in another one you started.

If you would read the good news from Iraq, not just the anti-American msm. You might see a different picture of our military.

I commend our military for doing their best but the real problem lies with Bush who has put them into a role for which they were not intended and for which they are not trained or equipped to perform. It is time to for us to get out of Iraq and place that responsibility on this new Iraq Government and the Iraqi People!

Same old tired arguement. Blame Bush. Blame Bush. Blame Bush. Do you know anything else?

I have to agree for the most part. Our military is not meant to do the business they are doing in Iraq, and personally I think they should have kept right on fighting until we acheived a true victory. Then, I don't think it would have been so hard to rebuild.

We should have undertaken it as a true occupation, kicked in doors, and been exactly what they accused us of being. We would have been the bad guys, and suffered more in the world's opinion polls. We would have sacrificed tens of thousands of more Iraqi lives to save American lives. That, honestly, is what war is about.

I differ with you, though, on pulling out. I am sick of it too, and I doubt daily whether anything will come of it. I know for a fact, though, that pulling out now would lead to nothing coming of it. We simply have to allow our military to do their jobs.

In the long run if this is successful it will be of great benefit to us, even if the Iraqis hate us. We have nations like Egypt that hate us, but who are a stabalizing force in the region. If we gain another such nation in Iraq, it will be worth the effort.

The truth is hard to accept!. This Blog is VERY REAL and describes the cause for MOST of the BAD NEWS out of Iraq! Tell me Bush is not responsible!

Bush is not responsible. You blog is about as real as Spongebob. You are constantly proved wrong, you are constantly ignoring facts that contradict you, and you never admit it.

Did Zarqawi's mustache tickle when you two kissed?

I want to know how many times he can write the same article over and over.

It's a fundamental principle of army-building that only a core of combat veterans can effectively learn and teach the lessons necessary to change the institution.

The world is changing, and the army has to change with it.

Gene, you were a soldier during the Cold War, a period of relative peace, when the military had the luxury of staying in the last war's rut, and considering the next war only in the ease and comfort of the classroom.

Now the next war is upon us, and as in every war before, the Army-as-institution must learn by doing. And so we are generating veterans of the new style of warfare at a great pace, and learning valuable warfighting lessons from direct experience and experimentation. It's not a pretty sight, but then, this isn't a cooking class. These people aren't trying to figure out the recipe for apple pie. They're fighting a war.

No army is ever fully prepared for the next war. By the time such preparations are complete, the next war has become the last war, and the preparing army has lost. Rather, you go to war whenever you see some advantage, not whenever you are in the ideal position. In war, as in software development, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

And here, as elsewhere, we can see that your insistence on perfection is just another weapon in your attack against the good that the army is able to accomplish.

How can you have been a soldier--an officer, even!--without understanding these basic truths about soldiering?

The military not only learns but applies and alters its policies and tactics from what it learns. That does alter the fact that the Mission in Iraq after Saddam Fell IS NOT what the Military is designed, trained or equipped to perform. For anyone to claim the Iraq War is not 100% Bush defies logic.

Bakerstreet is in part correct; we should have destroyed the hot beds of Saddam force activity after the central government fell. We should have prevented those factions from having access to the Ammo Dumps and should have safe guarded the infrastructure and sealed the borders. The lack of manpower is the reason why none of these essential functions were completed. That too is 100% Bush!

Bush made two major errors:

Going into Iraq was the first

Going to war with far too few troops to CONTROL the country as soon as the government fell was the second mistake.

For anyone to claim the Iraq War is not 100% Bush defies logic.

Democrats voted to support the war col. I'm sure you will give them a pass and claim they were deceived as usual.

Do you know anything besides blaming Bush. You have an obsession with him and you need professional help.

forget logic or reason, Gene is just a fart who blows out the butt with nothing of importance to say.

IslandDog

Bush is the one that requested Congress the authority to attack Iraq. He did so under the rational that we were in danger from Iraq. He is the Commander-in Chief. Too many Democrats were convinced by the partial information given them by Bush and his minions. If ALL the Intel and he Military Assessment would have been presented to Congress there would NOT HAVE BEEN ANY WAR RESOLUTION passed!

Bush is the one that requested Congress the authority to attack Iraq.

And most democrats approved of it.

He did so under the rational that we were in danger from Iraq.

As many democrats believed and have stated on record.

He is the Commander-in Chief. Too many Democrats were convinced by the partial information given them by Bush and his minions.

Enough of this. You have not provided one bit of proof that Bush gave partial information or any other bs you claim. Congress saw the same intelligence Bush did. Democrats believed Saddam was a threat before Bush was elected. I notice you never acknowledge the quotes from democrats about Iraq. You are nothing but a democratic hack.

If ALL the Intel and he Military Assessment would have been presented to Congress there would NOT HAVE BEEN ANY WAR RESOLUTION passed!

Hindsight means nothing col. Every committee and investigation has shown there was no deliberate deception on the part of Bush or Cheney for that matter. Everything you say here is false.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

Was this person deceived by Bush and given wrong intelligence? Answer yes or no.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Ever notice that Col is only on his own threads?

Another problem with this article is that Gene is quick to say that the troop's failures in Iraq are because of poor training and preparaton, but he never acknowledges that the troops on the ground succeed, day in and day out, much more often than they fail.

I assume this is because he can't explain it, except by saying that either the troops get good more good training than bad, or that human beings behave better under pressure than some people expect, or that things aren't really going as badly as he seems so desperate to believe.

Too many Democrats were convinced by the partial information given them by Bush and his minions. If ALL the Intel and he Military Assessment would have been presented to Congress there would NOT HAVE BEEN ANY WAR RESOLUTION passed!

You sad sack of shit. You know this isn't true, have been shown repeatedly that it isn't true, yet you continue to espouse this BS lie.

THE INTEL WAS PRESENT AS THE TWO CIA AGENTS HAVE STATED AS WELL AS ZINNI AND TRAINOR. THE INFORMATION WAS NOT PROVIDED TO CONGRESS AND WAS KEPT CLASSIFIED BY BUSH UNTIL AFTE THE RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED AND THE ATTACK WAS UNDERWAY. BUSH DECLASSIFIED ONLY THAT INTEL THAT SUPPORTED HIS GOING INTO IRAQ.

post deleted because I was out of order. you can thank Baker for that.

" YOU ARE AS MUCH AN ENEMY OF THIS COUNTRY AS ANY TERRORIST GENE. i HOPE THIS MAKES YOU PROUD."

Some in this debate make me ashamed. Have you people no self-respect? If you guys on the "right" side of this debate think you are doing anything but making jerks out of yourself, you're mistaken. You do a great disservice to your argument.

Venom I can stand, being harsh I can stand, but you guys aren't even presenting arguments. You're just trolling. Col Gene would be within reason just to delete your posts. If you want to call Col Gene a traitor or a terrorist, fine, but back it up with something. Many of the posts here just like like a mirror image of DU. I understand when people get discouraged and kind of snap, but damn, you could at least make an attempt.

Moderateman

I challenge you to prove me an enemy of this great country. I served my country and today I am exercising that right which I served to protect. You and people like you are the Bottom Scum. Everything I posted is the truth although you do not want to hear the truth. I am telling you what two distinguished generals have documented which you can read for yourself if you choose to risk being proven wrong. The statements from the two former CIA chiefs confirm that Bush cherry picked the Intel to get his way. We are to believe you and your venom over people like these. I guess they all want to bash Bush. I could delete your post but I will allow it to remain to show just lame you are to anyone that looks at this Blog!

LW, I find it personally satisfying to engage and refute the arguments, even if I will be forever denied the satisfaction of actually seeing Gene admit that he's wrong.

I like the challenge, I like the mental exercise, and I like the experience of marshaling my facts and logic to present a well-constructed counter-argument.

The way I see it, Gene's doing me a favor by giving me such interesting problems to practice on.

I too like to see just how full of BS some are on this Blog Site show themselves to be. Those that support Bush are just like him. They attack or change the subject when the going gets rough. Many believe if they say I am wrong that proves I am wrong. All it does is show how irrational they are when they offer no facts to refute what I have said. If I present information for four distinguished leaders that have spent their lives dealing with the issue at hand like the CIA agents and generals I sighted on this Blog they act as if they are nothing because they show how Bush mislead this country into a war that was unnecessary.

When I demonstrate that the mission Bush gave our Military is not one they are trained to handle there is no comment about that fact just a blast of BS. There is a reason why the vast majority of Americans are so dissatisfied with the way this country is being run. There is a reason our country is looked upon with distrust and hate. This administration has done more to detract from America then any in the past 225 years!

Gene, my very first comment on this article directly addressed your point.

Everything I posted is the truth although you do not want to hear the truth.

Col, you have NEVER proven that Bush withheld, or used intentionally false intelligence. In fact, you have been shown otherwise and you still won't acknowledge it. Do not ever say you speak the truth.

Many believe if they say I am wrong that proves I am wrong. All it does is show how irrational they are when they offer no facts to refute what I have said

We refute you posts everyday. This is why you start new ones and abandon one's that you keep losing in. You constantly make factless and misleading statements....like this article......and never even acknowledge when you are proven wrong. All you know is blame Bush, nothing else. This is why your books don't sell.

There is a reason our country is looked upon with distrust and hate. This administration has done more to detract from America then any in the past 225 years!

Ah yes col. Another DNC talking point from the "moderate republican". Oh the poor french hate us.....oh the poor islamists hate us.