Symantec sticks Microsoft with law suit...

Trying to halt Vista...

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125775,00.asp#
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An aritcle on www.pcworld.com talks about Symantec suing Mircosoft to stop development of Vista...
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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I bet Symantec bought Veritas just so they could sue Microsoft.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
I bet Microsoft loses again.  They steal and then pay.
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Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Symantec are only doing this cos they're scared of competition from MS's Vista security measures....hope they lose big time.
Reply #4 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Symantec are only doing this cos they're scared of competition from MS's Vista security measures....hope they lose big time.


Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Someone should sue Symantec for making such terrible software.

Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top

MS can always counter-sue Symantec for its propensity to disable [permanently] the BITS requiring a full re-install of SP2 to recover it....

If MS needs financial assistance...I'll happily donate my dumped NAV subscription that is still current.

Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Someone should sue Symantec for making such terrible software.


Too true....a WW Class action of all who suffered broken BITS. And no, Bichur, that doesn't include broken throbbers....sorry.

Hopefully MS will have he last laugh and make Symantec products 'non-compatible wih system 32 applications' in Vista.
Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Symantec Products SUCK.....It's proven by me and anyone who has the smarts to use AVG.. I know a really huge software maker that is facing a potential lawsuit for incorporating a virus into their software and they are in denial of this because "we use norton a.v. professional" It's so funny that people fall for symantec's bullsh** AV or anything made by them.

GO Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<< You'll never see that from me again!!! Unless MS can do something right from here on...LOL

Speedy
Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Jafo

I suffered broken BITS. Do I un-install SP2 and then re-install? Anything that I have to watch not to screw-up the system?

Advice would be appreciated.
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top

StephanA ...I can't remember if I uninstalled it then re-installed....[probably did].

I'd tried the sequence of repairs listed on a site link back then...you know...try this...if it doesn't work try the next [more complex step]...if not then...etc.

Final solution after a half dozen 'if nots' was reinstall SP2...

So I did, and it worked just fine....

I'll try to find the old thread...

Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Thank GOD I'm privy to this website...I just about bought the Norton Suite package - AV/Spyware/Ghost the works! Thx Paul - you saved me alot of unnecessary HEADACHES!!
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Symantec's consumer line of products is absolute crap... I've had a number of systems hosed by SystemWorks, AV, and even the old Norton Utilities. My experiences with Symantec since around 2000 though have been with their corporate AV client, which seems to behave a LOT better.

That said, I finally got sick of even that after having to deal with Symantec so much at work (I work in the security area, so we have a lot of symantec crap to deal with and the company can be a real b*tch to work with) I dumped SAV 10 Corporate edition on my home PC and picked up a copy of Kaspersky AV. If you ever go and look at the charts comparing McAfee, Symantec and Kaspersky, you'll see Kaspersky in the lead in terms of how quickly new viruses are blocked and how many files it can scan that the others can't (i.e. .rar files). Also got a chance to chat with a Kaspersky engineer, and the dude was WAY more knowledgeable than his Symantec counterpart. I was very impressed.
Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I agree with the idea of Symantec being scared of the next gen W-Vista security system. I've did many web searches and many other testing on Vista Beta 1, and I must tell you that the security and virus detection of Windows Vista beats anything I have ever seen until now! Symantec intentionally produces products that are not complete in order to let you buy the full package; if the anti-virus detects and deletes a virus then one of the registry files is gone so you have to go buy another symantec product that restores lost files, then you go and buy that product and find out that the lose of that registry file has opened a way for spy-ware to enter your PC, so you go back again to buy a Symantec product that kills spy-wares! and the band keeps playing the song!!

I even tired comparing Vista to Mac's new edition and I found out that compared to how many code lines are involved in creating Vista (Vista has 4 times more codes than Mac), I think that Windows Vista is going to be a major shift in the history of Computer security and protection; And in his last 15 minutes interview, Bill Gates assures people that Vista is what all of the PC users have been waiting for since Windows 95! He even claims that the level of protection in Windows Vista is going to be monitored and updated minute by minute through a specialized team of virus and spy-ware programmers all for free! (Of course after buying the OS it self).

So, Symantec surely has got some sand in their butt holes, where it itches them so much to the point that they can't handle it anymore; such losers deserve a punch in their faces from Microsoft, inside the courts of law, which will happen eventually.
Reply #16 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I bet Microsoft loses again. They steal and then pay.


Isnt that odd though, one of the biggest cry-babies about piracy founded the company on it..LoL..

Personally I hope MS wins this one though, Symantec has caused me more headaches than I can count, I would have rather dealt with the worms and Virii, LoL.
Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just another case of a company seeing its market share dissappear or who cannot compete with Microsoft. Boo F-ing Hoo.
Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Aw, don't be so hard on Symantec. It's much easier for them to sue than create a product that, you know, works.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
So much for justice, sight. On the face of it, Symantec has a legimate complaint.
Whether it will hold is up to the courts, but Symantec is defending its businesses here, it is not trolling or a phishing expedition. And about all I hear here is 'I hope they loose because their products suck'. Well, if that is the new rule for justice, I know some more companies which should be sued, just because I don't like them
Note that the area Symantec is sueing about its storage technology, not its anti virus business, and that they have been in negotations with Microsoft for more than a year about it before sueing.
So I hope that the rightful one will win here, whether it'll be Microsoft or Symantec. And I hope their lawyer bills will go through the roof
Reply #20 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Note that the area Symantec is sueing about its storage technology, not its anti virus business,


That may be so, but their premise is to stop Vista reaching the shelves....in essence to protect their security business because they can't compete technologically with the features in Vista. In other words, can't beat 'em with better products/business practices, so we'll throw a spanner in the works and take 'em to court.

I haven't been fortunate enough to have played with the Vista beta's, and it may have had its teething problems, but it seems to be a step in the right direction for OSes and I certainly hope Symantec's claim against MS goes down the crapper....along with their crappy 'so-called' security products.
Reply #21 from WinCustomize Forums Top
...but their premise is to stop Vista reaching the shelves...


Exactly! If Symantec is really "defending" their so called businesses, then why are they asking the court of law to immediately stop the development of Windows Vista?!! Stop the development of a whole OS that 2 billion people around the world are waiting for!!! Can't they just ask the court to "warn" Microsoft not to produce its final product with that technology on it? Can't they just warn Microsoft it self to remove that technology? Oh no, Symantec has to run around like kids and go to mama or papa to tell on Microsoft, Just like a scared kid.

See schekker, in business world everything has a different & hidden meaning, when a big company such as Symantec starts such move, it is so clear that they are scared of Windows Vista new competition, in other words, if the Windows vista has enough security, then no one will buy the symantec products, which means the end of symantec on PC's.

And by the way, the Symantec storage technology that they are talking about is one that has to do 99% with virus detection and deletion; a technology that Symantec has been using it wrong all the time, which explains the leading of other anti-virus and storage management products over any symantec product.

A company such as symantec dose not care about if its technology is stolen or not; what they want is not to see any other company (especially Microsoft) become better than them in security and storage sector. I don't want to talk about the Symantec products as I do not use them anymore, but Symantec as a company who is leading the world (at least theoretically) must get scared from the giant Microsoft coming into the line of there expertise.

After this act, I find symentec very funny and unrealiable compney. what's next? sue MAC for not having enough viruses! haha.
Reply #22 from WinCustomize Forums Top
After this act, I find symentec very funny and unrealiable compney. what's next? sue MAC for not having enough viruses! haha


Please....don't go giving them ideas! If their suit against MS fails, that might be their next step....if not Moby Dick, the minnow will do.
Reply #23 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Please....don't go giving them ideas! If their suit against MS fails, that might be their next step....if not Moby Dick, the minnow will do.


Sir starkers,..... .....
Reply #24 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If this was such a big problem, why did Veritas not sue Microsoft before they were bought?

As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Symantec bought Veritas so they'd have some type of excuse to sue Microsoft.
Reply #25 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If time is money..Symantec owes me big time. Anyone wanna start a class action suit against em for time lost?