And so the recalculation begins

I wonder when we will hear something about it from Stardock in the Journals. I would like to know when they expect to have it finished or if it is already completely done.

I hope it is not finished because if it is it makes no sense. Let's take a look at the top 3:
1st place : agreed, suicide, great scores, gigantic galaxy, conquest victory (hardest way to win)
2nd place : makes no sense at all "EvilLcLoNe" has one game completed with a low score. 10971 on normal setting and it took 33 years (not good shows that he hit the end turn olot or was not dominant)
3rd place: has played 1 game at suicide and had a political win which if you setup everyone to start close to you is an easy victory condition. The rest of his games are on beginner or normal again not has challenging as the higher level of difficulties. However, just the pure number of games and the variety of victory conditions could place him high.

What is the criteria? I can argue that the number of games 3rd place has makes him there and first place is the best at all criteria. How come second is there. I have for instance, 2 games registered and will soon submit my gigantic suicide game. The 2 I have our:
1 painful, large galaxy, conquest, score 21000
1 masochistic, gigantic, conquest, score 62500

I have 2 games not 1. Both games score higher at more difficult settings. The only difference I can tell is that his game was longer but I thought that was a sign of a bad game as it means you did not dominate or you hit end turn to try to build up your score.

Don't game me wrong I like that they are recalculating just want it to make sense.

Seeing the criteria for ranking would be good. Or various ranking lists.

Apparently the games played with Beta-1 and Beta-2 haven't been recalculated. At least there are still some really strange points. E.g. this player: http://metaverse.galciv2.com/index.aspx?g=player&id=185

I'm sure that they'll get around to it... don't worry... i've also pointed out to SD a bug in the scoring system even efter the release of 1.1 .. so don't even think that i'm happy with it just because i'm in second place at the moment...I'm not.. it stll needs wqork to fix an exploit i've found.. 3 games submitted early on to prove to players that its possible at all lvls to end the game in less than 12 months for a decent score using the current buggy scoring system .. and the last one was done to see if they'd fixed it yet which they havn't..

The recalc has to be done in stages otherwise it would totaly swamp the server..so please be patient .. it'll all be sorted out in the end .. including the exploit i found

the score for 400+k i didn'rt just hit end turn... i never just press end turn.. i have always been tweaking my cities etc to get the most out of them and full tech tree and max planet pop.. I don't just go for the quick win .. i play the game to its fullest.. which i think should be rewarded.... (all except for my last 4 games.. which i've asked SD to delete because they are just showing an exploitable scoring system even after 1.1
But there again you'll always get those who just love to winge...and complain

To JT Qwerk : This is strange. I finished 3 games in a total of 1/2 an hour and posted them . They were all labelled as cheats. How come yours aren't being labelled. They removed my cheat flagged games. I guess you are not finishing them quite quick enough to be labelled a cheater. I know the strategy you are using as do many other competant players. Also, you should try to beat the game at the harder levels before you give advice to players that are consistently posting conquest victories at the suicidal level.

i finish mine in about 16 turns .. anything longer than 51 turns that and reverts to the correct scoring

umm... what advice ???? I havn't given any except pointing out the flaw in the new you beaut scorring system...

I would never presume to tell anyone how to play... I only tell ppl how I play the game... and ask for advice on how the more compitant players are able to finish the games quicker than me while still taking everything to the max.. eg: tech,pop .. it takes me 25-40 years to play it all..

i've reported the cheesy alliance victory in the council - hopefully they'll fix it soon

hi blue..cough..JT

Setting of starting relations with the AI races should be impossible (just like mods are) for Metaverse games in my opinion.

Ouch! I dropped from position 207 to 458, and the game is a lot harder now on challenging. How discouraging. Doesn't seem worth the effort to submit to the metaverse any longer. Guess I will just try to play on an easier setting for my own enjoyment and not submit them.

Lord Reaper. I agree with you.
When you have people like Quirk and Thebestaintyou, quite detemined to ruin the Metaverse, there does not seem much point in it.

When you have people like Quirk and Thebestaintyou, quite detemined to ruin the Metaverse, there does not seem much point in it.

Your statement is unfair. Someone will exploit the scoring system anyway, so it is much better to have people doing it who will inform the developers and/or post about it publicly for everyone to understand.
If nothing is done about it then, it's not their fault at all.

e-stab, i agree with you wholeheartedly. the only motivation i can see for playing metaverse is peer prestige. i do not mean that statement in a derogotory way; it's just not something that appeals to me, and so i don't bother with metaverse games. however, some people will do whatever they can to believe someone else somewhere is looking at them (or a score) and saying "wow". the fact those guys plainly state they want to fix the system tells me that they at least want to earn their prestige.

Vulcan2, i think you misunderstand their intentions. otherwise you're using it as a guise to complain about some other aspect of their behavior, which i feel is probably competativeness. if that bothers you, you might reconsider participating in a scoring system at all.

i like to submit games to the metaverse, not to compete, but to track my own game history. win lose i dont care, but its nice to know the games i play are recorded somehow and add up to an overall performance.

I like to submit games because I do like the prestige, whether I get it or not. I play better at this game and others if I feel and believe that others are watching me, again, whether is true or not. I write more stories on the Kat Lords and Kat Ladies if I feel others are reading and have an appreciation for my type of science fiction, whether they do or not.

I have some issues, I enjoy being competitive, whether I am or not.

W/R
Suralle Straykat
Kat Lord @ Large

#11 by Vulcan2 Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:34 PM Lord Reaper. I agree with you. When you have people like Quirk and Thebestaintyou, quite detemined to ruin the Metaverse, there does not seem much point in it. [Commander] [5 Game Winner] [Human] [Over 5 Battles] [Normal]

Would you care to explain.... Just How I'm determined to ruin the metaverse

if you ask me (which you havn't) I want a fair and square scoring platform for all .. Including those who want tp play the game to its fullest (not just hitting end turn but like i do) ..

This bug report is to stop just as cheesy tactic as pressing end turn to get your scores up..

There is a bug in the scoring of the game in that when someone completes the game (it doesn't really matter how...) in LESS than 52 turns..

eg: lets say like in my case i can end a game in 16 turns.. thats 0.0625 of a year... so in their equation of calculating the final score which i believe is Total endgame score / sqr root of the years taken to play

because the years taken to play is 0.0625 is les than 1 .. thte sqr root of 0.0625 is 0.25 so there for its dividing by 0.25
(which in reality is multiplying your final score by 4 ..

So if you can tell me that pointing this out is detrimental to the game then so be it... I shall sease and decist.. and will then proceede to flood the metaverse with these scores.... like lots of others could and will do...
just like pressing end of turn this bug needs to be fixed to be fair to all ..

ok.. do you understabnd now...

and if the metaverse keeps up this picking on me for stating my opinion i shall leave the bloody game for good and so will many other dediocated players who have been playing GC1 and 2 now for a long long time.... and leave it up to you video game junkies where quicker is better and requires the highest scores.. which is a load of bull... its not how GC works.. if thats what you want then go and play another game....

and stop harasing people like me who arte trying to make the game fairer for all.


Thanks Evil Roy... but as i've stated i've already been chatting online aparently to the guy who can do something about this.. straight after the the new scoring system kicked in.. and it STILL hasn't been fixed.. I've explained ewverything in detail as i have just done again above... he said he'd look into it.... this was over a month ago nopw and at least 1beta and the final release ago ..

I havn't been submitting games to the meta because of this bug.. i could have been abusing the system... like i've also stated i've asked them to remone my lst 4 games as it was pointing out the flaw in the system... I can't do anything fairer than that... and don't appreciate people thinking and stating that i want to ruin the metaverse thankyou...

No its people like Vulcan2 and others who attack someone trying to correct things wrong with the metaverse who are actually trying to help out with the issue. The metaverse is not working correctly at all in my eyes and many other long time players. Its almost exactly like it was with Galciv 1 and that was why I stopped playing that game and soon will stop playing Galciv2 due to the metaverse not rewarding justly for those players who take the time to max out certain aspects of the game.

Frankly I find this website and users like yourself quite rude who often post here. Its why I seldom visit these forums as no one seems to moderate them. Why not stop making up trash talk and let the people who are trying to work out REAL Issues (NOT ruining anything you are with your rude posts) with the game and the metaverse.

These forums need to be cleaned up and the bad attitude users either prevented from posting or give them their own liltte bitching forum and let the long time players help with the issues to finally resolve them before this game and community begins to erode any further. Stop and think before posting above all else GROW UP!

Okay. Okay. I apologise and will take you advice. Quit posting to the forum and quit submitting games.
Have fun.

We don't want to lose you Vulcan2. All I am trying to do is give suggestions and point out exploits on the metaverse that can be corrected to make the metaverse a fair representation as to the overall skill of any player. Myself and qwirk have a few disagreements as to what changes should be made, but I dont hate him either. With a few more changes on the metaverse every player will have an acurate assesment of their skills. As you get better and beat the game at the higher skill levels and max out all areas of developement in a shorter time frame, you will climb the metaverse ladder along with everyone else. Bye for now.