Bush Hides $193 Billion Dollars in 2005!





The Social Security and Medicare trustees released their reports today. They show the following for 2005:

Social Security took in $172 Billion MORE then it paid out.
Medicare took in $21 Billion MORE then it paid out.

That means the two funds had a combined surplus in 2005 of $193 Billion. George Bush subtracts this amount from the Annual Federal deficit to make it look smaller.

Bush reported the deficit as $427 Billion AFTER he subtracted the $193 Billion in surplus from Social Security and Medicare.

In other words the REAL deficit in 2005 was $620 Billion (427 + 193) not the $427 Billion reported by Bush!

If Bush had to certify the financial statements like the Fed requires of company CEO's, he would be in violation of the truth in reporting act!
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Reply #1 Top
Isn't this an arguement that you yourself have made? You have a problem with people paying more to pay down the deficit? Of course we pay in more now than we spend now. There's more people here now than are drawing, and those people will be drawing it later.

You really need to think about these things before you dive into them. You are making less and less sense. The REAL deficit is no different than what you consider to be the fake one. you really espouse billions of dollars sitting dead, not doing anything for anyone for 50 years until the people who paid it in need it?

The harder you strain to make these points, the more you show how desperate you are. This is just your way of vilifying Bush for paying on the deficit that you constantly scream needs to be paid on.

Reply #2 Top
Am I the only one that sees this as a totally deranged blog? How could you possibly expect there to be as many people drawing social security as there are paying into it in a society where the population grows? How could you POSSIBLY espouse tossing all that money in a hole to wait 50 years until we need it?
Reply #3 Top
Bakerstreet

This Blog has NOTHING to do with how many people are paying into Social Security compared with the number drawing out. It has NOTHING to do with the solvency issue either.

This is the Bush administration distorting the real amount of the Annual Budget Deficit by $193 Billion. There is NO reason to subtract the current Surplus from Social security and Medicare from the annual Budget deficit other then you want to make the deficit appear smaller! Face it, we spent $620 Billion MORE in 2005 then we Taxed!
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Well, if you found out about it, he must not have hidden it very well.
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It has everything to do with those facts, Col, because they are the only thing you have to hang this on. Can you cite something that says SS and medicare income haven't been applied in this way before?

You don't have a link to anything at all above, much less anything that says that what Bush is doing is any different than any other administration. Not only do we have to take your word for it, we have to take your word that it is irregular.

I find it difficult to believe that you would expect anyone to take what you say as factual without some sort of proof at this point. I don't think there is a fact you wouldn't twist to make a new anti-Bush blog.
Reply #6 Top
Well I must be smarter they you since YOU did not uncover his deception!


Just think you who hate taxes should be very unhappy that $620 Billion will cost the American Taxpayer another $31 Billion in interest EVERY year until, if ever, that money is repaid. Yes 5% of $620 Billion is $31 Billion. So not only has Bush hidden the money but he has added $ 32 Billion to the federal budget in just ONE YEAR. WHAT A GREAT job he is doing!!!!!!
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So in essense this is just a dishonest way for you to post the same droning rant you've posted 50 times over. Bush didn't really hide anything, it really doesn't have to do with Social Security, it is just a reason for you to post the deficit figures again for the umpteenth time.

400th verse, same as the first...
Reply #8 Top
The proof can be found on the following:

www.socialsecurity.gov and www.cms.hhs.gov

You must look at the 2006 reports to see the Surplus that was generated by these two funds. This has been the process in the past. I have said that on many of my Blogs. However with the size of the deficit under Bush, it makes this practice MUCH MORE significant. This is a result of the Unified Budget act that was passed in 1970.

Again you try and deflect the issue but do not forget, the bottom line is that we spent $620 Billion MORE then we taxed and that added deficit will cost the American taxpayers an additional $31 Billion EVERY Year in interest on that added debt. This is the result of the Tax and spend policies we are following. For example, we have paid for prior wars by passing a temporary tax increase to fund the war. Bush just puts it on the TAB!
Reply #9 Top
Bakerstreet

No this is the FIRST time I posted the impact for 2005 since the information was just released today. You could not be a bigger idiot!
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Bakerstreet

No this is the FIRST time I posted the impact for 2005 since the information was just released today. You could not be a bigger idiot!


I would think that "YOU" are the biggest one of all! And like bakerstreet said this was just another excuse. It really had "nothing" to do with GW hiding "anything"!
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" This has been the process in the past. I have said that on many of my Blogs. However with the size of the deficit under Bush, it makes this practice MUCH MORE significant.


Yep, because it happened under Bush, it is MUCH MORE significant... to people who are obsessed with Bush. As for the idiot thing, lol, well, whatever gets you through the discussion. You just go to your happy place and think what you like.
Reply #12 Top
It is MUCH MORE significant because in 2000 we were not running a deficit. In 2005 we ran a $620 billion dollar deficit. I would say that a $620 billion dollar deficit is a bit more significant then NO DEFICIT. If the United States were a company we would be running a 28% loss.

Bush began a deficit the FIRST year he was in office and EVERY year the loss has gotten larger. Just like his two oil companies that he ran into the ground. If this is what you want for our country, you and anyone like you that attempt to defend Bush are what will eventually cause our country to fall. WE CAN NOT CONTINUE THE POLICY WE FOLLOWING. I believe I have summed it up in the preface of my book:



George W. Bush Robin Hood for the Rich

Preface


This book examines the policy changes that have taken place since George W. Bush became President of the United States. Although no amount of introspection can definitively predict the long-term impact of these policy changes, they can be examined on the basis of past events, social and economic theory and by the results and the reactions to date at home and abroad.

Regardless of how you view the way George Bush became President of the United States; no one can claim the American voters gave him a mandate for change. In November 2000 our nation was equally divided and the political atmosphere was very divisive. By 2004, in spite of President Bush’s pledge to restore a more positive atmosphere to our political process, we are even more polarized and he won reelection by about 2% of the vote. It is hard to recall a time since the Civil War when the divisions in our country were more intense. The laws that have been passed since January 2001 have moved us to the right and have been designed to benefit the wealthy of America at the expense of both the middle class and the poor. The spread between the haves and the have-nots has widened and we have turned to huge increases in debt to pay for the rapidly expanding Federal budget.

The economic impact of the Bush tax cuts is clear. The poor have received no benefit since they do not pay Federal Income taxes due to their income level. In addition, the static wage rates of the low paying jobs combined with rising costs have made the plight of the poor worse over the past five years. Middle income tax payers only received any real benefit if they had children under18 or from the elimination of the marriage penalty if both adults were employed. The alternate minimum tax provisions have actually harmed many middle income tax payers. The median benefit from the Bush tax cuts for middle income Americans has been estimated at $470 per year or less then $1.25 per day. When President Bush proposed his tax cuts Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, the two wealthiest people on earth, wrote to Mr. Bush and advised him not to cut taxes for the wealthy. They explained to the president the wealthy did not need a tax cuts and that the country had far more pressing needs for that money. Bush ignored their advice. The Chairmen of the Federal Reserve and the Secretary of the Treasury in 2001 advised the president to tie his tax cuts to the available surplus and NOT to return to annual budget deficits. The president ignored them.

When we view consumer debt and personal savings rates the results are very clear - we are heading for trouble. The average family credit card balance has jumped from $3,300 in the mid 1990’s to over $8,600 in 2005. The personal savings rate is the lowest since 1933 and in December 2005 it was negative. Americans took money out of the past savings to make purchases in December 2005. Personal bankruptcies are at an all time high. The Federal deficit, after subtracting the Social Security and Medicare surpluses of about $175 Billion, is over $400 billion in 2006. The national debt has jumped from $5.7 Trillion in January 2001 to $8.3 Trillion in January 2006. OMB has estimated the National Debt at the end of the Bush term will be about $10 Trillion and the annual interest will have jumped from $230 Billion in 2001 to $500 Billion by 2010.

In December 2005, David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States said, “The current fiscal policy is unsustainable.” He went on to say, GAO simulations indicate we could be facing “rising taxes 2.5 times today’s level or spending cuts of 60%.” He said that the fiscal burden that our policies have placed on Americans amounts to $350,000 for every full-time worker.


At the same time, President Bush in his 2007 budget is proposing that his tax cuts be made permanent and the Brookings Institute released a study that shows making the tax cuts permanent will add another $2 Trillion to the national debt by 2014. Both parties selectively use statistics to justify their positions. This book will lift the fog that has been used to mask the real conditions of the United States.

On October 20, 2004 George W. Bush at a diamond–studded fund raiser in New York gave us a very clear look through the window of his soul. Mr. Bush said, “This is an impressive crowd – the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elites; I call you my base.”

George W. Bush was not seeking the highest office in our land to be president of all the people, not even the majority, just his base –the wealthy. The policies he has implemented with the cooperation of the GOP in Congress have benefited his rich base at the expense of the middle income and poor of our country.
Reply #13 Top
More garbage. Col is running out of steam. BTW, there were riots during one of the protest from yesterday, you all know that's Bush's fault, right?
Reply #14 Top
The deficit is a direct result of the Bush tax cuts and his budget (spending). Bush did the same thing as Reagan with the same result – cut taxes while increasing spending. Bush 41 was correct when he called the Reagan economics and now GWB economics, Voodoo economics. Too bad the son is not as smart as the father! The father also said DO NOT invade Iraq! How did GWB turn out so dumb?
Reply #15 Top
Not that we really needed confirmation, but Gene is becoming more & more unhinged by the day.

No, Baker, you are not the only one who sees how deranged this blog is. Gene simply conjures up problems, just so he can blame them on ol' Dubya. Did you know that Dubya SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE? Did you know that?
Reply #16 Top
Every day more sources point to how Bush has mislead and misdirected this country in a mired of areas. Chris Mathews has two former CIA agents that clearly have stated that Bush and Cheney knew Saddam had no WMD in the fall of 2002 and went ahead and LIED IN ORDER TO GO TO WAR. Powell has joined about 8 of the most senior military in saying Bush screwed up the Iraq war. These issues are not being made up by me they are ALL over the news 24/7. The issue of the deficit will be one of the most destructive results of the Bush administration for decades to come.

The issue of Bush and the way he served the military has been settled by his own records. After 30 years in the military I know that when a member of the military disobeys regulations, does not report to duty as directed and disobeys the orders of his or her commanding officer they are PUNISHED. No member of the military, without protection at a very high level, could have done what Lt Bush did and not be punished. NO member of the military that disobeyed their CO and did not report for duty would be granted an Honorable discharge. ANY pilot that is grounded, as Bush was, for not taking a mandatory physical must receive a board of review which Bush escaped. YES Bush did not deserve nor should he have been granted an Honorable Discharge. Some very high military official disobeyed regulations in order to protect Bush. Only time will tell if the identity of that person will ever become public. The reason the issue of the Honorable discharge Bush received is so important is that without it HE COULD NEVER HAVE run for ANY public office!
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I seem to remember hearing that somewhere... hrm... where was that...
Reply #18 Top
Bakerstreet

Your denial of what is in your face every day just shows that there are a small % of the people that will NOT look at things as they ARE BUT as they want them TO BE.

I have spent about two years putting together a picture of the ten major issues that face our country. What we hear from both the Republicans and Democrats on an issue are SOME of the relevant facts but not all the facts. The phrase that is used in court comes to mind. Do you swear to tell the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT the truth.

Let me give you one example. When the issue of jobs is the subject, Bush and people who support him will tell us about the roughly 5 million jobs that have been created in the past 2 1/2 years. That is so far as I know true. The Democrats will tell us that we are 1.5 million jobs short. Now let’s get to the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH about jobs. To be in the same condition as when Bush became President just numbers wise, we needed 6.5 Million new jobs to provide work for those that lost their job and the new workers that have cone into the work force since Jan 2001. We have created 5 million jobs and are about 1.5 Million jobs short only considering NUMBERS. Now let’s look at the quality of 5 million jobs that have been created. The U. S Conference of Mayors had an exhaustive study completed that was released in December 2005 that showed the following:

18 states had not recovered the jobs loss - i.e. the 1.5 million missing jobs

The average wage of the jobs created in 2004 and 2005 pay, on the average, 21% LESS then the jobs that were lost from 2001-2003.

The benefits, mainly Health and retirement of the new jobs are far less then the jobs that were lost.

Therefore the WHOLE TRUTH about Jobs over the past 5 years the economy under Bush and his policies which he takes credit for have created 5 million new jobs that pay 1/5 less then the jobs that were lost, they have fewer benefits and we are still short about 1.5 million jobs.
Reply #19 Top
Don't think for a second that I don't think the budget of the US is out of control, and don't think I don't appreciate the seriousnes of the deficit. I just think it is blatantly false to sit and blame the Great and Powerful Oz while the people who really hold the purse strings, and who WILL be there after 2008 sit and waste all of our money. All you accomplish is distracting people from the real villains that you play puppet for, and worse, fight to give MORE money to.
Reply #20 Top
It is Bush and the GOP that refuse to either CUT SPENDING or INCREASE TAXES. IT IS THEIR FAULT 100%. THEY HAVE THE POWER AND ARE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM AND JUST MAKING IT WORSE!
Reply #21 Top
A man walking the hallways of the White House finds a quarter on the rug... LOOK HE SHOUTS BUSH IS WASTING MONEY AND I HAVE PROOF!!!!!!!

GENE??????? YOU~!!!!!! ARE !!!! LOSING!~!!! WHAT!!!! LITTLE!!!!! MIND!!!! YOU!!!! HAVE!!!!!!!!!
Reply #22 Top
You stupid ASS. The trillions of dollars Bush has borrowed, the hundreds of Billions on Iraq the 193 Billion he hid last year is not a quarter. The $31 Billion of added interest you and I will pay this year because he wants to give his rich friends and oil companies’ tax cuts are not quarters.
Reply #23 Top
You stupid ASS.


Oh... well, that certainly convinces me. Were you in the debating club in high school?
Reply #24 Top
This is not a debate. The issue is serious and when people make believe this a joke I have very little patience with that sort of attitude. Every time I bring up an issue and document it and one of the Bushies can not refute what I have said, they attack me, make a joke or change the subject. That is the VERY same way Bush and his senior staff operate. I watch them on the various news shows. How often when asked a reasonable question does Bush or others in his administration shift to a statement or answer that HAS NOTHING to do with the question or watch Bush or his press secretary make a joke out of the question. Sorry for my response. It does not help the discussion.
Reply #25 Top
This is not a debate. The issue is serious and when people make believe this a joke I have very little patience with that sort of attitude. Every time I bring up an issue and document it and one of the Bushies can not refute what I have said, they attack me, make a joke or change the subject. That is the VERY same way Bush and his senior staff operate. I watch them on the various news shows. How often when asked a reasonable question does Bush or others in his administration shift to a statement or answer that HAS NOTHING to do with the question or watch Bush or his press secretary make a joke out of the question. Sorry for my response. It does not help the discussion


Just keep right on braying like the jack-a** you are.