AMERICA, Modern Day Tower of Babel?

A small comparison between America and a biblical event.

from JoeUser Forums
http://www.ldolphin.org/babel.html

All of this language mixing once destroyed a proud nation, {read the link}

Having a multi language separated man and woman from each other in the Bible!

This demanding of some of our Immigrants that we accommodate them by learning there language, write things so they can understand them, instead of insisting all immigrants speak, read and write this countries language is leading America along the same path as the tower of babel did, destroying the country as it destroyed mans ability to communicate long ago in just ONE LANGUAGE.

WE as a nation must stop this politically correct behavior and start insisting, you want to be an American? and live in this country, learn our language! Period. Keep your countries language, teach you children the customs and spirit of your homeland, do not let that die, but!!!!! blend in and learn English first.

Do not let America go the way of the Tower of Babel, those that do not heed history is doomed to repeat it.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
AMEN!!!

good link!!
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: KFC (Kickin For Christ)Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006AMEN!!! good link!!


thanx, but do you agree or disagree with the point of this article.?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
What about English people. Should we say, stop talking in English English and talk American English?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Hmmmm(Anonymous User)Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006What about English people. Should we say, stop talking in English English and talk American English?


in america the language is american english, period
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
"in america the language is american english, period"

So you would think it improper for an English person living in America to say 'pavement' instead of sidewalk. Or 'petrol' instead of gas?

Monoculture anyone?
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
To me, all this production line, monoculture garbage goes against the founding spirit of America.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Hmmmmm(Anonymous User)Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006"in america the language is american english, period"So you would think it improper for an English person living in America to say 'pavement' instead of sidewalk. Or 'petrol' instead of gas?Monoculture anyone?


nope because even with the differences I would understand him, if he said lift instead of elevator I still could communicate, WHERE AS IF A PERSON SAID TO ME" yazagraffle" i WOULD NOT HAVE A CLUE.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Hmmmmmmm(Anonymous User)Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006To me, all this production line, monoculture garbage goes against the founding spirit of America


I agree, and if you read the entire article I said " keep your customs and lauguage" just learn english.

HI "S" tell the other "S" hello too.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
thanx, but do you agree or disagree with the point of this article.?


well if you had read my blog on "How to Destroy America" you would know I would agree here. I pretty much said the same thing and included a quote from T. Roosevelt in the comments section that would agree with this thread as well.

I think it goes well with the old saying..."United we stand, divided we fall."
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: KFC (Kickin For Christ)Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006thanx, but do you agree or disagree with the point of this article.?well if you had read my blog on "How to Destroy America" you would know I would agree here


ok will read it and sorry if I stepped on your shoes.

MM
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
no MM, you did not step on my shoes!!!

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
I agree.  That is the only provision of the current bill dealing with illegal immigrants that I do agree with.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
*yawn*

If fat, lazy Americans have a problem with learning a second or even third language, then we deserve to have our nation "destroyed", if you can even believe what you are describing here is "destruction". Perhaps of your precious "culture", or whitebread non-culture whichever the case may be.

We watch on average over 25 hours of TV a week. There's no excuse for not tossing 3 or 5 or 10 of those hours into something that betters yourself and makes yourself more competitive. Here's a thought, what if Mexicans or other people come to this country, CAN speak at least basic, functional English (which is what the average American speaks, imho), but just opt not to?

You gonna pass a law telling them they can't? Are you gonna be like the French and pass laws saying they have to have English as the main language in their ads and on their signs? The French protect themselves from English and we call them pigs. We do the SAME stinkin things and we laud our patriotism.

A democracy reflects the makeup of its participants, or it isn't a democracy. Embrace change or it will eat you. Making yourself a stagnant pool of self-inflated, cultural-elitists like France, and you'll be just as flaccid a little country in about 100 years.

It's funny to see Americans pretending that ignorance makes them somehow better. In reality if you deny reality and decide not to communicate with a large part of the population, you're just making yourself less viable. You're just embracing the same problems that Mexicans who move here ignorant of English have. You're denying the same reality.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I so disagree with you Baker. I have missionary friends who have been all over the world. I have friends in Poland, Bulgaria, Africa, Brazil, etc. These friends all learned English to come here.

My missionary friends (Americans), one who is moving to Russia this summer and another just came back after 11 years in Uuzbekistan had to learn the langauges of their host country. My friends in Uuzbec said it took 2 years to become fluent in that language. My soon to be American friend going to Russia is taking classes now in Russian. They didn't go over there and demand to stay in English mode and have those countries adapt to them.

That's fine and a good thing for them to do to learn these languages. But I shouldn't have to learn other languages here just to get along in my own country if I don't want to and it has nothing to do with laziness. How many do I have to learn? Right now it's looking like Spanish and Arabic as those are going to start (if not already) becoming prevelant in my own country in certain areas.

I agree with the "when in Rome, do as the Romans." It's always been that way in this country and it has worked well. Why stop? It's going to be our downfall sooner or later.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
"That's fine and a good thing for them to do to learn these languages. But I shouldn't have to learn other languages here just to get along in my own country if I don't want to and it has nothing to do with laziness. How many do I have to learn? Right now it's looking like Spanish and Arabic as those are going to start (if not already) becoming prevelant in my own country in certain areas. "


I shouldn't have to pay higher insurance because some people opt not to. I shouldn't have to lock my doors at night. I shouldn't have to worry about the safety of my little girl. Let's say I obstinantly decide tomorrow to stop doing those things. How much sympathy will you have for me when I suffer?

About as much as I'll have for you when you get passed over for positions or are unable to do as well in a 21st century American population. You have two choices. Go back to the 1800s where it seemed sensible to make immigrants into nice little WASPS, and shun the ones that aren't having any, or better yourself to compete.

My wife works with people like you. Nice people, don't get me wrong, but they'd never consider taking a language course because 1 out of ever 5 people they deal with speak poor English or no English at all. Therefore they aren't useful for 20% of the work that needs doing.

You can hedge yourself more and more and avoid segments of business and society where you can't communicate, or you can accept reality and be more than the average obstinant American. Don't pretend you're protecting "our" culture, though. Many, many Americans pay taxes, have good jobs, make sure their kids get a good education, and choose to only use English when they have to.

As more of their countryment migrate here, the less they'll have to. What would you like to do, force them to speak English to you? Rob yourself of the interaction and benefit of knowing a second language? Or swallow your pride and admit that we will continue to be a Democracy when we are a multi-lingual society?
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
My friends in Uuzbec said it took 2 years to become fluent in that language. My soon to be American friend going to Russia is taking classes now in Russian.


Something tells me that they would speak English amongst themselves rather than Uzbeki (Or is it Pashtu? I'm almost totally ignorant about that part of the world) or Russian, and they probably spoke English with those locals who understood it. I know I did when I was OS. It's not easy to adapt linguistically to a new language in a completely foreign place.

I can just see those locals saying, "why won't these damn missionaries speak Pashtu? Coming here, stealing our evangelical jobs, not speaking our native tongue... Why won't they just learn our freakin' language, the foreign savages?"
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

*yawn*

If fat, lazy Americans have a problem with learning a second or even third language, then we deserve to have our nation "destroyed", if you can even believe what you are describing here is "destruction". Perhaps of your precious "culture", or whitebread non-culture whichever the case may be.


You know something baker? I don't think I'll be able to discuss this anymore with you. I DO NOT appreciate being called fat and lazy, because at the ripe old age 0f 50 I refuse to have to learn another language just to be able to get along. This is "my" country and I was born and raised here and "here" we speak the english language as a defacto standard. Learn it!

You gonna pass a law telling them they can't? Are you gonna be like the French and pass laws saying they have to have English as the main language in their ads and on their signs? The French protect themselves from English and we call them pigs. We do the SAME stinkin things and we laud our patriotism.


This is NOT why we call them pigs! We call them pigs because for the most part they say one thing and then turn around and do the exact opposite! And if it was up to me and a bunch of others...."yes" I'd pass that law. It's one thing to be a tourist. They're not really expected to learn a second language. It's quite another to "immigrate" to another country!
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Uzbeki (Or is it Pashtu?)

It is Uzbek, an eastern turkic language, written, until 1992, in the (Russian) Cyrillic alphabet but now largely written in the Latin alphabet. I'm not sure that a native English speaker would acquire real fluency in just two years, although a good intermediate level is quite possible. However, with the right 'spiritual motivation' who knows. I recall a bunch of working class guys without high school diplomas learning foreign languages in a matter of seconds [Acts 2:4-6]
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
"You know something baker? I don't think I'll be able to discuss this anymore with you. I DO NOT appreciate being called fat and lazy, because at the ripe old age 0f 50 I refuse to have to learn another language just to be able to get along. This is "my" country and I was born and raised here and "here" we speak the english language as a defacto standard. Learn it!"


You won't be able to discuss it with people who don't speak English, either. As time goes on those "won't be able to" things are gonna start piling up as long as you self-righteously deny yourself tools out of some empty principle.

"This is NOT why we call them pigs! We call them pigs because for the most part they say one thing and then turn around and do the exact opposite! And if it was up to me and a bunch of others...."yes" I'd pass that law. It's one thing to be a tourist. They're not really expected to learn a second language. It's quite another to "immigrate" to another country!"


Then you are just as pathetic as the French, and were the US governed by people as short-sighted, we'd be doomed to end up just like them. Thankfully, it won't be.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then you are just as pathetic as the French, and were the US governed by people as short-sighted, we'd be doomed to end up just like them. Thankfully, it won't be.


First I was fat and lazy, now I'm pathetic. Why don't you just go sit in the corner and make rapid up and down motions with your hand while gripping your male (?) appendage.


You won't be able to discuss it with people who don't speak English, either. As time goes on those "won't be able to" things are gonna start piling up as long as you self-righteously deny yourself tools out of some empty principle.


I really don't give a rat's butt. If they can't speak to me in my native tounge then whatever it is that they're trying to say doesn't mean much to me.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
"I really don't give a rat's butt. If they can't speak to me in my native tounge then whatever it is that they're trying to say doesn't mean much to me."


Like I said, that's the attitude my wife's coworkers have. Nothing like lauding the fact that you are of less use overall to society. Lacking skills is of course the mainstay of America's culture of dependance, but it's odd to see those on the right promoting it.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
English should definitely be learned by every person who wants to live here. I agree with that 100 percent.

However, the reality is, we are living in a nation where the biggest minority speaks Spanish, and where more and more minorities feel comfortable using their langauges here (Korean, Chinese, for example).
No one is DEMANDING you learn another country's language. But, to me, it only benefits someone to learn a minority language if they live in a community where that minority langauge is widely used.

I am very familiar with this issue. Living in a border town where Spanish is widely used, we of course do have people who complain that English isn't used enough (not only complaints by Causasians, but by U.S born Hispanics).I actually think one of the main causes for disdain of other languages has to do with people somehow being threatened by it, as if it's going to take over English at anytime now...

I don't see a problem with people speaking a language of their choice as long as they speak English where it is necessary to do so (such as the workplace).
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
"I really don't give a rat's butt. If they can't speak to me in my native tounge then whatever it is that they're trying to say doesn't mean much to me."


Like I said, that's the attitude my wife's coworkers have. Nothing like lauding the fact that you are of less use overall to society. Lacking skills is of course the mainstay of America's culture of dependance, but it's odd to see those on the right promoting it.


lets see....fat, lazy, pathetic. Now according to you not worth a lot to society. And you "still" haven't addressed one salient point. You are expected and in some instances required to learn the "native" tounge of an area you're moving into. Say Italy or Russia. Of course in the work place your wife's co-workers are the one with the problem. At least according to you anyway. I say it's the other way around. If the workers can't understand what the boss is telling them to do...then what good are they to the company?

Sorry MM. baker...."screw off"!
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
lemmee see if I have this right baker, I live in america, where english has been the TRADITIONAL language for centuries. We ok so far? Now according to you I must learn foriegn languages in order to speak with people that refuse to learn english, yet want to live here. we still ok? If I do not want to learn, I am either , fat, lazy, or stupid. HMMMMMM gotta agree with doc miler on this one baker... Bend over take a firm grip on your neck and remove it from your anal cavity {remember I like and repsect you}
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am curious, how many languages do you know Baker?

I myself and Bilingual, I talk read and write English and Spanish very well. I can, however, understand Portuguese a little since I worked with Brazilians for 2 years. But I wouldn't consider it a third language since I could not hold a conversation with one long enough. But I leanred to understand it for business purposes and simply because they were in Brazil when they spoke to me. But as soon as they touched US soil, they could talk better English than I could Portuguese. So I wonder, why should I have to learn another language when communicating with someone in my own country? Sure if talking to them in their native language in my country could get me one hell of an account with millions of dollars than by God I will learn it.

I agree those who chose to come and stay in the US should learn English. It is not lazy to not learn other languages. Being an American citizen I have the right to not learn other languages and the right to be respected about it and not be called lazy, fat, pathetic and useless to society. It is very disrespectful to say that to anyone cosidering that people from other nation don't learn languages from other countries just to please those who are living there and don't know the native language and you are calling all of them these names.

BTW, I learned English cause I was born in the US and lived here for many years, I also learned Spanish cause my mom spoke more Spanish than English in the house but even she could hold her own when English speaking people knocked on the door.