Wave a MEXICAN Flag if you approve of breaking laws

Let me get this straight

from JoeUser Forums
So while watching the news, no not just fox but all over the channels, I see pictures of Illegal Immigrants waving Mexican flags to protest making ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, well ILLEGAL>

If you are so pro Mexico waving with pride the Mexican flag while living in America, protesting American laws, why are you here?

Why are you not in MEXICO trying to make life better?

Liberal teachers are encouraging their students to get out there and protest the enforcement of American laws {sneaking into the united states}.

I guess as a first generation American { mom and dad came from turkey} and taught to respect American laws, while learning how to speak English is just too much to ask of this new generation of law breakers.,

The bureau of prisons estimate that upwards of 30% of all prisoners in America are indeed Illegal aliens.

I live in California and have watched hospital after hospital have to close their doors due to ILLEGAL Aliens receiving care and NOT PAYING, this has an effect on those of us that are LEGAL.

Somehow people that have snuck into America think they are owed something, and the liberal left supports this Idea.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is more here than meets the eye.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006There is more here than meets the eye.


I don't think so doc, it has now become a crime to point out criminal behavior in a minority.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just to beat a dead horse, no one seems to care about the business owners, who are profiting by using illegal labor, breaking the laws.

Hopefully, the congress will work together and pass a law that will allow these workers to pay a fine, be able to stay legally and pay taxes into our government.

If they break the laws of our country and they have no legal standing to be in our country, then they should be deported. I don't know how it makes sense to pay to incarcerate people who are not citizens. I guess the thought is that if they deport them, they will just come back.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: LocamamaPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006Just to beat a dead horse, no one seems to care about the business owners, who are profiting by using illegal labor, breaking the laws.


beat away, I think that if we eliminated the ILLEGAL work force and gave a living wage for menial jobs the price of things and services would get higher. I am all for that~!

America is for AMERICANS!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

don't think so doc, it has now become a crime to point out criminal behavior in a minority.

I know what you mean, but that is not what I mean.  I mean why are they up in arms now?  We have gone through this before and it has accomplished nothing.  WHy now?  Nothing being proposed will do a diddly damn.  As someone else said, until we start enforcing our current laws, making new ones will do nothing.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006don't think so doc, it has now become a crime to point out criminal behavior in a minority.I know what you mean, but that is not what I mean. I mean why are they up in arms now? We have gone through this before and it has accomplished nothing. WHy now? Nothing being proposed will do a diddly damn. As someone else said, until we start enforcing our current laws, making new ones will do nothing.


I stand corrected, there is a great protest happening right now In l.a. blocking traffic on the `101 and the 110, now on surface streets, HOW DARE AMERICANS try to enforce laws!
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Locamama has the right answer! Take away the incentive to come here - I say to those employers who knowingly hire illegals, they should get a minimum year in prison. It;s one thing to break the law and come here illegally, it's another to profit from it. These employers should be treated as the traitors they are.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
BTW - Mod Man, Your comments sound like you're an "America, Love it or Leave It" guy but from what I've read you don't sound that intolerant. Surely, where's the moderate part of your identity?
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
BTW - Mod Man, Your comments sound like you're an "America, Love it or Leave It" guy but from what I've read you don't aren't normally so intolerant. Where's the moderate part of your identity? And your comment about "learning how to speak English is just too much to ask of this new generation of law breakers" doesn't really have a place in this discussion - although it shows a slightly racist perspective to make such an assumption.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just to make it clear, Mexico was not the only country represented at that march (thousands sneak in from many other Latin American countries as well).

ModMan
America is for AMERICANS!


I understand some of your points...I must admit being a bit offended, though, since I wouldn't be here being a successful American if it were not for someone in my family crossing over that Mexican border...

Moving away from my sentimentality, I really do hope this reform works in a way that would help these immigrants stay here legally.
Believe it or not, most don't feel like "something is owed to them."
They just want to work their butts off to ensure they and their families survive life...and what better place to do it than in the land of opportunity and dreams.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Buddah MoskowitzPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006Locamama has the right answer! Take away the incentive to come here


agreed.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Buddah MoskowitzPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006


English is just too much to ask of this new generation of law breakers" doesn't really have a place in this discussion - although it shows a slightly racist perspective to make such an assumption.


not after watching my mother struggle to speak and write in a language so foriegn to her it does'nt, She came from a family that spoke 3 languages, turkish, spanish and french. ewww {on the french}
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: InBloomPosted: Monday, March 27, 2006Just to make it clear, Mexico was not the only country represented at that march (thousands sneak in from many other Latin American countries as well).ModManAmerica is for AMERICANS! I understand some of your points...I must admit being a bit offended, though, since I wouldn't be here being a successful American if it were not for someone in my family crossing over that Mexican border...


did they come legally? {then I can answer you}
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
She came from a family that spoke 3 languages, turkish, spanish and french. ewww {on the french}


Thank you for making my point for me.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
I understand some of your points...I must admit being a bit offended, though, since I wouldn't be here being a successful American if it were not for someone in my family crossing over that Mexican border...


The funny thing is, until recently, most hispanics were here long before anglos were. My in-laws are a case in point. But the problem has reached a point that we must get it under control, either through laws (useless) or controlling the borders.

I wish we could welcome everyone with open arms, but the lifeboat will only hold so many. Overfill it and it will sink.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
14 by Buddah Moskowitz
Monday, March 27, 2006


Thank you for making my point for me.

sheeeshhhhh budda. was a joke. lighten up. and you never did comment on my mom having to struggle learning such a strange language {english}
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you for making my point for me.


Not liking French is racist? Je parle francais. Je suis francais! Est-ce que je suis raciste pour le parler?

And I dont like them either.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I must admit being a bit offended, though, since I wouldn't be here being a successful American if it were not for someone in my family crossing over that Mexican border...


I can understand your point, still doesn't make it right. I don't mean to be cruel but the fact remains, if they came here illegaly then they are criminals. I do not have anything against helping others, specially my latino people. BTW I'm Puerto Rican, a latino culture that does not appreciate the connection they have with the US and the freedom they enjoy because of it. It shames me to hear them talk bad about the US, they don't even realize that it is because of their connection with the US that Puerto Rico enjoys the freedom they have and the decent economical lifestyle they have. They should feel lucky not to live like the people of Cuba or Dominican Republic. Like I said, I have no problem with helping anyone from any country, my only real problem is when they come here illegaly. It only makes the process harder and unfair for those who are trying to do it the legal way.

Moving away from my sentimentality, I really do hope this reform works in a way that would help these immigrants stay here legally.


As much as this hurts me to say it, I hope it doesn't. Like I said above, it's unfair for them to have a better chance of staying while already here and already enjoying the freedoms of this country while those going thru the legal process have to wait. I don't find it fair to reward criminals while giving the legal ones a hard time.

Believe it or not, most don't feel like "something is owed to them."


I can not take your word for it since there are millions of them here and I highly doubt you would know even half of them. Especially when living in a different enviroment and lifestyle for many years from that of which they have come from, I doubt you have hardly anything in common with them that you would seek them out and actually feel what they feel since you did not live what they lived and risk your life to enter this country.

They just want to work their butts off to ensure they and their families survive life...and what better place to do it than in the land of opportunity and dreams.


I can understand and I feel them. Even though I am of Puerto Rican roots, I too have to deal with the fact that I am latino and have to work hard to make a living. Still, I do it the legal way. I pay taxes, I have a licence when I drive, etc. It's heart braking, I wish we could do more. I would think that the money spent on trying to rebuild Iraq, a country so far away, across the ocean where hardly any American will set foot and so many other dangerous countries surround it, would have been better spent helping the Mexican Gov't give their people a better future so that they do not have to illegaly cross the border seeking a better life for their families. But that's not the case now, though it can still be considered. Just imagen having a country like Mexico with a thriving economy, no more people crossing illegaly, having an easier system to allow them to come over legaly, and better place to go on vacation. It would be like having another Canada at the south of us, but without the french language.

It is not my intention to put you or any latino down. My parents came to the US legaly, I was born here legaly, and the only illegal thing I have done was to drive without a licence for 1 year. I paid the price behind bars for 6 hours and swore never to let that happen again. I just want things to be done right, and giving illegal immigrants a better chace at staying than those going thru the legal process is unfair. That's all I have to say.