Richard "Moonbat" Belzer and the War

Actor denigrates American troops as "uneducated and uninformed

http://newsbusters.org/node/4503
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Actor Richard Belzer, Det. John Munch of NBC's "Law and Order--SVU" seems to know more about the war in Iraq than the young men fighting it. See the link for details.

Belzer says American troops who say they "support the mission" are simply "uneducated and uninformed" 19- and 20-year olds "who are only in the service because they couldn't find a job". He said he's so much better informed because he has time to read 20 newspaper a day. Good for him; "money for nuthin' an' yer chicks fer free". Probably starts with the New York Times, I bet.

What a putz...I always liked "SVU", too, but now that I hear this, I just might stop tuning it in.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is actually funnier than Richard Belzer's stand up act ever was...
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah...only a putz would say something like;

Belzer: "Ok. No one is questioning the nobility and the honor that these men and women are serving and what they're doing. No one questions that. Now they're targets and they're not going... and their just protecting each other and they're in the middle of a civil war. So it's really not fair to have these people, who volunteered their lives to protect our nation under false pretenses, to now be targets... "


I'm not defending Belzer, he got heated up and put his foot in his mouth. However, there was more to it than what's being reported here and elsewhere.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yeah...only a putz would say something like;

Belzer: "Ok. No one is questioning the nobility and the honor that these men and women are serving and what they're doing. No one questions that. Now they're targets and they're not going... and their just protecting each other and they're in the middle of a civil war. So it's really not fair to have these people, who volunteered their lives to protect our nation under false pretenses, to now be targets... "


I'm not defending Belzer, he got heated up and put his foot in his mouth. However, there was more to it than what's being reported here and elsewhere.
---davad

I'm not surprised that you're defending him; one moonbat loony patting another on the back. Do you think he really meant those words, though? I personally have to kind of doubt it. "Oh, they're just stupid kids who don't know any better; they need to listen to me! I'm not in Iraq or Afghanistan, seeing with my own two eyes what's happening. I'm here in Cali, sitting on my ass only reading what my favorite biased media outlet force-feeds me". He IS a putz.
His kind of America-haters are all over Hollywood; you can see it in the way not one person used up any of their breath in even one word honoring American troops during the entire friggin' Oscar broadcast.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I guess you don't read so well, eh?

I'm not defending Belzer, he got heated up and put his foot in his mouth. However, there was more to it than what's being reported here and elsewhere.


Perhaps if you'd actually served in the military, especially overseas, you'd know that soldiers don't always get the whole picture of what's going on all the time.

Do you think he really meant those words, though? I personally have to kind of doubt it.


I love how you have no trouble believing the sincerity of the one negative thing he said, but not any of the positive.

You're acting just like the media that love to blast. You pick and choose what what to report (the negative), and ignore anything positive.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
guess you don't read so well, eh?

I'm not defending Belzer, he got heated up and put his foot in his mouth. However, there was more to it than what's being reported here and elsewhere.


Perhaps if you'd actually served in the military, especially overseas, you'd know that soldiers don't always get the whole picture of what's going on all the time.


Just an FYI....next time ask before you bother to speak! Right winger HAS served! Have you?

You're acting just like the media that love to blast. You pick and choose what what to report (the negative), and ignore anything positive.


Also an FYI....NOTHING truly positive has "ever" come out of his mouth. The recent spiel is just one of many.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Those serving volunteered. They were not drafted. The army isn't there just for practice. They are there to fight when and where our country needs them.

When my husband joined the Navy, it wasn't because he was uninformed and uneducated. It was because he wanted to get educated. He wanted to support his family and yes he wanted to serve his country.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Perhaps if you'd actually served in the military, especially overseas, you'd know that soldiers don't always get the whole picture of what's going on all the time.
---davad

I understand this, but Belzer (who, I might add, is not exactly serving anything or anywhere himself, if you've noticed), sitting in his comfy chair watching CCCPNN ("CCCP" is Syrillic for "USSR", for any who might not know that) and absorbing the dross from the Leftie media, knows more than they do? How could he? How can you say that?


I love how you have no trouble believing the sincerity of the one negative thing he said, but not any of the positive.
---davad

How much was positive? I must have missed massive chunks of it, the way you're propping him up.
I have problems believing him because he's a Hollywood moonbat and, like all moonbats, he likely hates this country and everything it stands for. Except, of course, for the right to free speech.
That he clearly LOVES; mainly so he can bore us to sleep with his "comedy" act, I expect.


You're acting just like the media that love to blast. You pick and choose what what to report (the negative), and ignore anything positive.
---davad

At least you admit that about the media; that's a start down the right ('Right'?) road.
But as for me acting like them, not at all....I posted the link to whole article that I found, and just as I found it.
If you want to fish around until you find some site that has a more positive spin on this story (if that's possible...even fellow Moonbat Maher was getting irked with him), go ahead, then post the link and I'll read it.
Unlike your biased media, I'll take both sides of the story, even the side I don't like.

DRM:
Thanks for the props, but though I DID enlist, and took Basic at Ft. Jackson, I recieved a medical discharge for a seizure I had, and was unable to return. So, though I tried to serve, I sadly wasn't able.
That's why I stand up for and defend my country here!


Those serving volunteered. They were not drafted. The army isn't there just for practice. They are there to fight when and where our country needs them.
--Locamama

Very true....thanks for this.



When my husband joined the Navy, it wasn't because he was uninformed and uneducated. It was because he wanted to get educated. He wanted to support his family and yes he wanted to serve his country.
---Locamama

Good for him; sounds like a good guy.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just an FYI....next time ask before you bother to speak! Right winger HAS served! Have you?


Next time ask yourself jackass. I knew about RW's enlistment and discharge a while ago. And yes, if you've paid attention around here at all, you'd know that I did serve in the Army. Active duty for 4 years. Perhaps you should be the one asking before you speak?

I understand this, but Belzer (who, I might add, is not exactly serving anything or anywhere himself, if you've noticed), sitting in his comfy chair watching CCCPNN ("CCCP" is Syrillic for "USSR", for any who might not know that) and absorbing the dross from the Leftie media, knows more than they do? How could he? How can you say that?


I can say that because I've been in that position. I served in Panama in Operation Just Cause, In Kuwait/Saudi in Desert Storm, and I also served in Korea. News of what is going on related to missions, politics, etc. is hard to come by when you are deployed, especially in a conflict area.


How much was positive? I must have missed massive chunks of it, the way you're propping him up.


I quoted the part of the positive. There was just as much positive as there was negative. There were only maybe 2 negative sentences that he spoke.


At least you admit that about the media; that's a start down the right ('Right'?) road.
But as for me acting like them, not at all....I posted the link to whole article that I found, and just as I found it.
If you want to fish around until you find some site that has a more positive spin on this story (if that's possible...even fellow Moonbat Maher was getting irked with him), go ahead, then post the link and I'll read it.
Unlike your biased media, I'll take both sides of the story, even the side I don't like.


I'm not interested in any site's positive spin, watched the clip and read the transcript. That's what I based my comments on.

That's why I stand up for and defend my country here!


As I said before, I'm sure the soldiers who are serving in Iraq are very grateful to have your help "defending the country" by blogging.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
My experience in the service was that my buddies were apolitical, not stupid, though surely limited in education. But then that was another era--I suppose the greatest generation was not so great after all.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
DRM:
Thanks for the props, but though I DID enlist, and took Basic at Ft. Jackson, I recieved a medical discharge for a seizure I had, and was unable to return. So, though I tried to serve, I sadly wasn't able.
That's why I stand up for and defend my country here!


As far as "I'm" concerned, you did serve. What happened was not your fault. You went of your own accord and tried to put in your time.
And before anyone says something stupid....YES, I have served! 6 years USN. "I" voulunteered and I am "not" some ignorant idiot like some around here like to try to make military volunteers out to be.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
ust an FYI....next time ask before you bother to speak! Right winger HAS served! Have you?


Next time ask yourself jackass. I knew about RW's enlistment and discharge a while ago. And yes, if you've paid attention around here at all, you'd know that I did serve in the Army. Active duty for 4 years. Perhaps you should be the one asking before you speak?


Do you "LIKE" showing your stupidity? You made a declarative sentence

Perhaps if you'd actually served in the military, especially overseas, you'd know that soldiers don't always get the whole picture of what's going on all the time.


Where as "I" asked a question:

Have you?


As a side note, first off try reading. Secondly, knock of the name calling! You "really" do not want to get me started! You keep "assuming" hostility where none is intended or shown.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
A few things worth noting:

As evidenced by this article and its replies opinions have flip-flopped.

Before: Davad felt that we should listen to service members' thoughts about what should be done in Iraq. The "righties" generally felt that the poll featured in the article was skewed and further that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations.


Now: Davad feels that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations, and the "righties" feel that we should listen to our service member's thoughts because they DO have the information needed to make informed recommendations.



PS - As much as I like Rightwinger, I have to say that Basic Training is not "military service". It is military. It's not really service, though. It's the precursor to service. So, while I definitely admire his patriotic aims and his willingness to "put his money where his mouth is", I do not believe he has "served" in the military.

Big difference between a battle-hardened Soldier and someone who was rejected prior to completion of Basic Training in South Carolina. No offense, RW, although I have a feeling you probably completely understand what I'm saying here.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
As far as "I'm" concerned, you did serve. What happened was not your fault. You went of your own accord and tried to put in your time.
And before anyone says something stupid....YES, I have served! 6 years USN. "I" voulunteered and I am "not" some ignorant idiot like some around here like to try to make military volunteers out to be.


Who "around here" is saying that military volunteers are "ignorant idiots"?

Do you "LIKE" showing your stupidity? You made a declarative sentence


What sentence are talking about? Your issues with punctuation always make it hard to follow what you're saying.

How exactly did I show my ignorance again? By saying he hadn't served?

As a side note, first off try reading. Secondly, knock of the name calling! You "really" do not want to get me started! You keep "assuming" hostility where none is intended or shown.


Try reading what?

Does it truly bother you being called a jackass? It seems to me as if you enjoy having a reputation of being a jackass.

Dare I ask what happens when you "get started"?

Before: Davad felt that we should listen to service members' thoughts about what should be done in Iraq. The "righties" generally felt that the poll featured in the article was skewed and further that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations.


Now: Davad feels that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations, and the "righties" feel that we should listen to our service member's thoughts because they DO have the information needed to make informed recommendations.


Very good observation Tex.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
What sentence are talking about? Your issues with punctuation always make it hard to follow what you're saying.


Only because "YOU" make it difficult! I quoted your sentence, "if" you were reading! Try again!
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Does it truly bother you being called a jackass? It seems to me as if you enjoy having a reputation of being a jackass.


How about I keep calling you a "jerk-off"? Would you like that? Somehow I doubt it.

Dare I ask what happens when you "get started"?


Just ask around.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
As a side note, first off try reading. Secondly, knock of the name calling! You "really" do not want to get me started! You keep "assuming" hostility where none is intended or shown.


Try reading what?


What is posted. Because half the time it shows that you don't bother
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dare I ask what happens when you "get started"?


Just ask around.


I really think you must be mistaken about how you're perceived.

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Davad feels that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations
I don't think he meant that; rather, servicemen in the thick of it, can recommend what's within the area of combat. Yet they surely have a keen sense that things are generally going badly and have every right to question what the hell they're doing there and conclude either give them greater fighting support or withdraw.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just ask around


imagine you fed barney fife some really crummy acid, hypnotized him into believing he was mr mcgoo and then showed him pix of thelma lou doin goober, gomer, floyd the barber and aunt bea all at the same time.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
imagine you fed barney fife some really crummy acid, hypnotized him into believing he was mr mcgoo and then showed him pix of thelma lou doin goober, gomer, floyd the barber and aunt bea all at the same time.


Listen up, you snot nosed heap of parrot droppings! "If" you're smart you'll stay out of this conversation.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Does it truly bother you being called a jackass? It seems to me as if you enjoy having a reputation of being a jackass.


How about I keep calling you a "jerk-off"? Would you like that? Somehow I doubt it.


Just an FYI.....I have a reputation for being an "a**hole" or a "complete a**". Get it right.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
PS - As much as I like Rightwinger, I have to say that Basic Training is not "military service". It is military. It's not really service, though. It's the precursor to service. So, while I definitely admire his patriotic aims and his willingness to "put his money where his mouth is", I do not believe he has "served" in the military.


Sorry TW but I guess you an I will have to agree to disagree on this. Because "legally" basic training "is" considered military service. Just look at you husbands "LES" (leave and earning statement. Basic Training is counted towards time served in "service". Secondly he also got paid for the time he was there, right? That means he was "on" the payroll, making him a member of the armed forces. You don't make it on the payroll without being a member.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
It Seems the liberals have to denigrate the intelligence of those they cannot convince through faulty logic. Belzer is merely acting out the tired old liberal script as he is not intelligent enough to think on his own.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Before: Davad felt that we should listen to service members' thoughts about what should be done in Iraq. The "righties" generally felt that the poll featured in the article was skewed and further that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations.


Now: Davad feels that service members lack the information to make informed recommendations, and the "righties" feel that we should listen to our service member's thoughts because they DO have the information needed to make informed recommendations.


Tex, I missed that thread, but thanks for a good laugh! You enjoyed that did you not?
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Listen up, you snot nosed heap of parrot droppings! "If" you're smart you'll stay out of this conversation.


DOc, be kind to him. I think his hatred has caused his trolley to leave the track. Just read his latest rantings at the whole Bush Clan.