Feingold Runs From Censure Debate

Come back here and defend yourself!

http://exposetheleft.com/2006/03/14/specterfeingold
You might have heard about the Democratic Senator who proposed President Bush be censured for efficiently tracking suspected terrorists and their phone calls. It's bad enough that someone disagrees with the president for tracking members of Al Qaeda but now people want to condemn the man for doing his job.

The liberal outrage meter must read something like this: on a scale of 1-10, 1 being "not at all outrageous" and 10 being "extremely outrageous", liberals rate: Indoctrination of students, 1; comparing the US military to the forces of Stalin and Hitler, 1.5 (and it's fun too!); outing secret prisons and plane routes, endangering the CIA and the American people, 3; The UN aiding Saddam Hussein and raping underage African girls, 4; but tracking suspected terrorists via the NSA? That apparently gets a 10, extremely outrageous!

At least we know they keep their priorities in order. But I digress...

Anyway, Russ Feingold (D-WI) introduced a bill to censure President Bush, and this action really gave us a look at how cowardly people like him can be. Yesterday, Feingold gave a thirty-minute introduction to his proposal... but when Arlen Specter (R-PA) wished to debate him on its merits, or lack thereof, Feingold literally ran away and hid. He scurried away amid calls for him to return to the Senate floor! There's even a video, it was live on CSPAN2!

I suspect he was afraid of being made a fool of, although he did a great job of that himself. I don't blame him, since everyone knows that this censure proposal is more ridiculous than the talk of impeachment. This hollow move is just another example of how the loony liberal left party has no ideas other than to desperately attack President Bush and propose phony censure motions.

The closest the Dems will ever come to impeaching GW is through a New Jersey high school.

Do you know what this reminds me of? Remember, during the beginning of the war in Iraq and near the 2004 presidential elections, when the Democrats used the threat of a military draft as a fear-mongering technique to scare voters? And do you remember who it was that actually proposed a draft? It wasn't Mr. Bush or Donald Rumsfeld -- no, it was NY Democratic congressman Charles Rangel. They used a military draft proposal (made by a liberal) to drum up fears that the Bush Administration was going to steal America's children and force them to fight in Iraq. Isn't that the Democratic Party we just know and love? I wasn't going to write about this call for a censure because it was beyond stupid and many Democrats have distanced themselves from it. However, since Russ Feingold has refused to debate his own proposal I felt that it was important to point out why he has issued the proposal in the first place. He is making his bid to the far-left political groups, which literally own the party, in order to stake out a position for the upcoming 2008 presidential election. The far-left, which reason escaped long ago, has demanded that their employees (the Democratic Party) try to impeach President Bush. That is out of the question for most Dems because they know how frivolous the attempt would be and they know it's political suicide. Given that, MoveOn and other activist groups have realized that the impeachment thing will never happen so they were forced to support another desperate move --censure. It's kind of sad, huh. It's almost as sad as Air America and its inevitable collapse due to the fact that they have to actually pay radio stations to put their filth on the air.
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Where is the video of Feingold running away and hiding? All I see on that video is Specter talking.
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Where is the video of Feingold running away and hiding? All I see on that video is Specter talking.


Pay attention to what Sen Specter is saying.
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You've been saying ever since I've been posting here not to listen to anything Specter says because he's an idiot but I listened to it alright. I didn't hear anything that suggested that "Feingold literally ran away and hid."
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Fingold reminds me of the Joke:  Paddy was having a beer with his friend Sean.  Aye, says paddy, my wife got down on her hands and knees to me today.  Did she, says sean, and how did that come about?

Simple, says Sean, she was yelling at me to come out from under that bed and fight like a man!

So this is the third time (at least).  Murtha, Rangel, and now Feingold.  Instead of increasing his stature for 08, I think he just killed it.

But then the sight of Hillary trying to hide behind Mikulski to avoid reporters was almost as funny too!

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You've been saying ever since I've been posting here not to listen to anything Specter says because he's an idiot but I listened to it alright. I didn't hear anything that suggested that "Feingold literally ran away and hid."


Then I guess you must have a visualization problem.


SEN. ARLEN SPECTER: Mr. President might I ask the Senator from Wisconsin to stay on the floor?
SPECTER: Mr. President

MR. PRESIDENT: Senator from Pennsylvania

SPECTER: Mr. President, well I think this subject matter is worthy of debate, but not withstanding my experience at debating, I don’t think I could debate without someone to debate with. So I tried to attract the attention of the Senator from Wisconsin before he departed the chamber. I think you got him right as he was on the way out the door, but let me ask his staffers if they would like to invite the Senator from Wisconsin to return to the floor with my having listened to his long soliloquy, if I might have the benefit of his presence so that we can deal with these issues in some substantive detail.



I don't know about you, but....this seems pretty cut and dried to the rest of us.
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He did not run away. He continuously fights the battle and does run from his conscience. More are signing on and talking about it as we speak.
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He did not run away. He continuously fights the battle and does run from his conscience. More are signing on and talking about it as we speak.


Are you blind? He called for a vote and the walked out of the building. If that isn't running away I don't know what is!
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He called for a vote and the walked out of the building


Every once in a while it would be nice if you had any idea what you were talking about before you decide to post. Feingold did NOT call for a vote, he introduced a bill. Maybe a viewing of School House Rock's "I'm Just a Bill" will help explain the difference to you.

It is not uncommon for a Senator to introduce legislation and then leave the floor--legislation is not usually debated immediately.
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"Feingold did NOT call for a vote, he introduced a bill. Maybe a viewing of School House Rock's "I'm Just a Bill" will help explain the difference to you.

It is not uncommon for a Senator to introduce legislation and then leave the floor--legislation is not usually debated immediately."


On the contrary, Republicans moved to vote on it right away. Feingold saw it blow up in his face and decided to avoid questions on the subject until he could get his wits together. Pundits are saying that Dems also wanted to talk to Feingold about hanging them on a hook with this.

This wan't a move against Bush, this was a staged political move in the interest of HIS election bid. Other Democrats see it as a way for him to force them to join him, or later face his campaign attacks for NOT joining him; i.e. when he and Hillary are on stage with a bunch of other Democratic primary candidates answering each other's questions.

The fact is NO ONE who is claiming to want to censure Bush really wants this voted on. They just want to "discuss" it for a couple of weeks in really loud voices, since they can't get anything done legitimately.
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Every once in a while it would be nice if you had any idea what you were talking about before you decide to post. Feingold did NOT call for a vote, he introduced a bill. Maybe a viewing of School House Rock's "I'm Just a Bill" will help explain the difference to you.


Want to to wipe the egg of your face now? Or later. Some times I "do" know what I'm talking about. It's other people that don't know what "they're" talking about. He may not have called for a vote, but a vote was called for!

On the contrary, Republicans moved to vote on it right away. Feingold saw it blow up in his face and decided to avoid questions on the subject until he could get his wits together. Pundits are saying that Dems also wanted to talk to Feingold about hanging them on a hook with this.
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Republicans moved to vote on it right away


last time I checked, Feingold wans't an R, so he didn't call for a vote.

I'm not supporting Feingold's move, I'm just saying that Dr. Miler is quick to condemn when he doesn't always have his facts straight--there's a big difference between Feingold calling for a vote and the R's calling for a vote to make Feingold look stupid.
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"I'm not supporting Feingold's move, I'm just saying that Dr. Miler is quick to condemn when he doesn't always have his facts straight--there's a big difference between Feingold calling for a vote and the R's calling for a vote to make Feingold look stupid."


There's also a big difference between legislators who stand behind what they are doing and intend what they pretend, and legislators who make grand overtures for the camera, seek to impose punishment when crime hasn't be established, and who paints political mechanization as an ethical stand.

a) If this was an obviously illegal practice, Feingold should be claiming the President should be held criminally liable, and working toward those ends. If they could rant loud enough to have President Clinton dealt with legally, they could easily do so here. They know this isn't something they can do, though.

b) If this WASN'T and obviously illegal practice, then censuring the President for an act that not even learned legal scholars can agree on is playing an end-run around the law. It is presuming the guilt before you even determine whether a crime was committed. They want the President to APPEAR guilty to Americans without having to go to the trouble of that icky due process stuff.

Feingold moved his chess piece, not only in opposition to Republicans and the President, but also in opposition to his fellow Democrats that he sees as competitors for the Democratic nomination in 2008. If he was serious about it he would have accepted the immediate vote. Instead, he saw it blowing up in his face and limped off to lick his wounds.
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There's also a big difference between legislators who stand behind what they are doing and intend what they pretend, and legislators who make grand overtures for the camera, seek to impose punishment when crime hasn't be established, and who paints political mechanization as an ethical stand.


Uh, Baker--maybe you missed where I said that I wasn't actually talking about the topic. Once again, I was comment policiing--a habit that has recently gotten the better of me. No need to debate me--we aren't disagreeing.
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lol, K.
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Feingold did NOT call for a vote,


You introduce a measure, and then do not stick around when they say "ok, let's vote"? Good plan! We could have used him at the battle of the bulge. Maybe we would be speaking German now.
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Republicans moved to vote on it right away

the R's calling for a vote to make Feingold look stupid.

Sen Majority Leader Bill Frist did what he should have done, called Feingold's bluff, but the call for a vote was long after Feingold's departure. Like letting loose a stinky fart in a crowded room, Feingold made for the door immediately after dropping the censure bomb.

It is clear from the video that Specter asked Feingold to stay afterwards to hear the rebuttal.

There's also a big difference between legislators who stand behind what they are doing and intend what they pretend, and legislators who make grand overtures for the camera, seek to impose punishment when crime hasn't be established, and who paints political mechanization as an ethical stand.

This I like, very much. Point well made.

Why would Russ introduce a censure motion and be too afraid to stay for the consequences?
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I thought the point of putting up a resolution was for it to be voted on. What did anyone think would happen once the resolution was put there? Does it really matter who asked for a vote on it? I thought that was the whole point in the first place.
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They just want to "discuss" it for a couple of weeks in really loud voices, since they can't get anything done legitimately.
Thanks to the control of Republicans to thwart debate.
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I won't come in, I can't come in. They will hurt me and make me feel bad.
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' Thanks to the control of Republicans to thwart debate."


Debate isn't the appropriate reaction to a crime. The assertion here is that a crime has been committed. What the Democrats want to do is play court TV and ruin the jury pool as best they can before the next election. Face it, they don't want it to be hashed out by anyone with legal authority, because the President might be vindicated. Much more profitable to do it all themselves, and let the voting public just believe whatever they're told.
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The assertion here is that a crime has been committed.
The censure is predicated on alleged misdemeanors without intent inappropriate to one in high office. Censure in this case is like a student body reversing its role and calling the principal to the commons room.
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The censure is predicated on alleged misdemeanors

Note the bolded word, and the reason it is pure politics with no basis in law.

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I thought the point of putting up a resolution was for it to be voted on.

I think the point was to bring attention to the subject, fuel to the fire as it were, and not for meaningful discussion on the subject at all.

If Russ wanted to discuss, why'd he jive and dive?