Al Gore following the Nixon Model for success?

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There are just to many commonalities between Al Gore and Richard Nixon to not compare.

Both lost very close elections, both sat out the following elections, yet stumped tirelessly for other candidates.

Nixon Proclaimed he was not going to run for President, {he did and won}

Gore has stated he will not seek the presidential candidacy again. hmmm

Gore is the one person in the Democratic party that can rumble with Hillary Clinton and win, Gore has been fervently anti-war from the beginning, Hillary has not.

Gore can grab most of the Democratic base away from Hillary.

This next election should be interesting to watch.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think so. Gore couldn't win based upon his behavior since his election. I think in the minds of Dems they'd see Hillary as having a chance and Gore as being a hopeless cause. He can't keep his mouth shut. He's like Dean now.

I don't even know if Hillary is going to run in 2008. I think she has made up her mind that she WILL be President. I think that waiting four more years wouldn't be that big of a deal to her. I used to think differently, but her behavior of late speaks otherwise.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here's something not talked about often politically, and that is how to "Raise the Median" - as you can see in the article over here: //bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/03/the_merely_rich.html the richest 10% in America own 70% of it's wealth, and the top 25% own 87% of it. That leaves just 13% for the bottom 75%. Unreal!!

I sometimes wonder if it's not that type of huge disparity that fuels social revolutions - it seems unsustainable to me - the 75% after a while, begin to wonder "Why Not?" a revolution.

Why Not?

JW
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Thursday, March 02, 2006I don't think so. Gore couldn't win based upon his behavior since his election. I think in the minds of Dems they'd see Hillary as having a chance and Gore as being a hopeless cause. He can't keep his mouth shut. He's like Dean now.


not win an election, as much as win the nomination.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Jay Walker(Anonymous User)Posted: Thursday, March 02, 2006Here's something not talked about often politically, and that is how to "Raise the Median" - as you can see in the article over here: //bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/03/the_merely_rich.html the richest 10% in America own 70% of it's wealth, and the top 25% own 87% of it. That leaves just 13% for the bottom 75%. Unreal!!I sometimes wonder if it's not that type of huge disparity that fuels social revolutions - it seems unsustainable to me - the 75% after a while, begin to wonder "Why Not?" a revolution.Why Not?


I will See if I can gather some info about this.

Revolution? if that was going to happen here it would have happened in the early 70's with 1.5 million disaffected combat vets.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think they are seeing the error of their ways, though. I think they picked Kerry with the attitude you describe. People like Soros aren't going to open their bank accounts to them if they try that again. This time they have to pick someone that is going to win, or they are doomed. The evil overlords are getting disgusted, and if enough of them banded together, they much just have a chance making their own third party.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
You forget though, the only qualification the DNC is looking for with the next Presidential election is "Who can beat Bush?" ;~D
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Thursday, March 02, 2006I think they are seeing the error of their ways, though. I think they picked Kerry with the attitude you describe. People like Soros aren't going to open their bank accounts to them if they try that again. This time they have to pick someone that is going to win, or they are doomed. The evil overlords are getting disgusted, and if enough of them banded together, they much just have a chance making their own third party.


Gore can pull money and votes just on his anti-war stance.

Maybe the evil moveon crowd should spend money, clone JFK and try again. heh
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Thursday, March 02, 2006You forget though, the only qualification the DNC is looking for with the next Presidential election is "Who can beat Bush?" ;~D


Look to 8 years from next election, they can try to beat jeb Bush.

breathe col breathe.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
The Democratic Party will be looking for a more moderate candidate for the 2008 election. I think that pretty much cancels Hillary out. Al on the other hand? Most likely he will sit out.

My bet is on someone like a Mark Warner.


Jeb has no legitimate shot.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Thursday, March 02, 2006The Democratic Party will be looking for a more moderate candidate for the 2008 election. I think that pretty much cancels Hillary out. Al on the other hand? Most likely he will sit out.My bet is on someone like a Mark Warner.Jeb has no legitimate shot.


I do not believe that a moderate democrat can win enough support to take it to a race.

Jeb 10 years from now has no shot? wow, can you forsee the future? If so give me winning lotto numbers. heh
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do not believe that a moderate democrat can win enough support to take it to a race.


I think you're wrong, but when 08 rolls around, any Dem who has a legitimate shot will be labeled as a "far left-winger" by conservatives. If someone like Warner or Bayh, who are both very moderate, gain momentum, you will see.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

The Democratic Party will be looking for a more moderate candidate for the 2008 election. I think that pretty much cancels Hillary out. Al on the other hand? Most likely he will sit out.

My bet is on someone like a Mark Warner.

Mwuahahahahaa!  Then you will get what we had!  I should say that I would not wish that on you, but if America Elects him, it is their fault!  Bwuhahahahaha

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

I think you're wrong, but when 08 rolls around, any Dem who has a legitimate shot will be labeled as a "far left-winger" by conservatives. If someone like Warner or Bayh, who are both very moderate, gain momentum, you will see.

It is not the conservatives that label that matter, it is the democrat base.  And I think they showed in 04 and since (Daily Kos, Code Pink anyone?) that they will not tolerate moderation on any candidate.  Lieberman was the strongest candidate and the base tossed him aside like rotten potatoes.  Even Gebhardt was too conservative, even tho he has tacked far to the left.

Dont worry about what the conservatives think, as that is not going to impact who gets the nomination.  Worry about what the kook fringe thinks because they seem to be pulling the strings.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: davad70Posted: Friday, March 03, 2006I do not believe that a moderate democrat can win enough support to take it to a race.I think you're wrong, but when 08 rolls around, any Dem who has a legitimate shot will be labeled as a "far left-winger" by conservatives. If someone like Warner or Bayh, who are both very moderate, gain momentum, you will see.


Like I said it will be interesting.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
I realize that what conservatives think doesn't affect who gets the nomination, I was referring to how they will be labeled when the time comes.

They do a straw poll every month at Kos. The latest one;



Link

I really don't think Feingold, Clark, or Warner are "kooky left fringe".
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: davad70Posted: Friday, March 03, 2006I realize that what conservatives think doesn't affect who gets the nomination, I was referring to how they will be labeled when the time comes.They do a straw poll every month at Kos. The latest one;


how are these moderates going to get out the liberal base? as the liberala base goes so goes the candidate.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
how are these moderates going to get out the liberal base? as the liberala base goes so goes the candidate.


Apparently they already have the support of the liberal base, according to the poll...there's still a long way to go though. I'm curious as to how the numbers would change if people thought Gore really intends to run.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

I really don't think Feingold, Clark, or Warner are "kooky left fringe".

Forget Clark.  He wont run.  Of the other 2, no they are not on the kooky part.  But that still leaves the 2 unknown answers to the questions:

1. How far to the left will they tack to win the nomination.  What is said in the primary will be used in the general.

2. While Daily Kos is definitely kookie (perhaps not the readers, but the owners has lost a lot of grey cells), they are but part of the base.  Have you checked out democratunderground.org?

And dont forget Howard Dean.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: davad70Posted: Friday, March 03, 2006how are these moderates going to get out the liberal base? as the liberala base goes so goes the candidate.Apparently they already have the support of the liberal base, according to the poll...there's still a long way to go though. I'm curious as to how the numbers would change if people thought Gore really intends to run.


I saw a poll that has hillary as the front runner {sorry cannot remember poll name} with gore out she was winning by large margin, with gore in her margin was much smaller.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, March 03, 2006I really don't think Feingold, Clark, or Warner are "kooky left fringe".Forget Clark. He wont run. Of the other 2, no they are not on the kooky part. But that still leaves the 2 unknown answers to the questions:1. How far to the left will they tack to win the nomination. What is said in the primary will be used in the general.2. While Daily Kos is definitely kookie (perhaps not the readers, but the owners has lost a lot of grey cells), they are but part of the base. Have you checked out democratunderground.org?And dont forget Howard Dean.


let us not forget moveon.org, they are nuts and definitely far far left, they also have more money than GOD.
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