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The Plame Investigation Results In A Nutshell

Or, so what?

November 1, 2005 2:58:16 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
"As far as we can tell, nobody did anything wrong, except for one guy, who made it harder than it needed to be for us to figure out that nobody did anything wrong. So we're charging him with being a pain in the ass. It's not much, but it's all we've really got, so we're gonna run with it."
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Reply #1 November 1, 2005 3:11:13 PM
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It comes down to 2 years and Zilch.  But he had to indict someone for 2 reasons:

1. 2 years and zilch

2. his 15 minutes of fame was fading.

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Reply #2 November 1, 2005 3:34:42 PM
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Don't get me wrong. Perjury is a crime for a reason. It's especially heinous when committed by high government officials.

If it turns out Libby was covering his own ass on purpose, to the detriment of the investigation, then he's right where he should be right now. And can I take a moment to point out that, just as Bush promised, the first person to be formally accused of anything was immediately removed from the administration?

On the other hand, while the prosecutor and the Grand Jury believe there were shenanigans here, the accusation of perjury still needs to be proven to a jury in a proper trial. It may be that, based on the evidence, the trial jury will conclude that Libby made an honest mistake and that no perjury actually occurred.

And this, after two years of investigation, is the most terrible thing the administration may have done regarding Valerie Plame: possibly on purpose not remember the exact details of how one staff member didn't actually do anything wrong. Possibly.
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Reply #3 November 1, 2005 4:10:51 PM
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"As far as we can tell, nobody did anything wrong, except for one guy, who made it harder than it needed to be for us to figure out that nobody did anything wrong. So we're charging him with being a pain in the ass. It's not much, but it's all we've really got, so we're gonna run with it."


Stutefish,
I noticed that you put this in quotation marks. Did someone say this, or is this just musing?
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Reply #4 November 1, 2005 4:12:48 PM
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So we're charging him with being a pain in the ass.

Perjury is a crime for a reason. It's especially heinous when committed by high government officials.


Perjury is also used when the statute of limitations runs out on a crime, like how they got Alger Hiss.
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Reply #5 November 1, 2005 4:20:37 PM
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If it turns out Libby was covering his own ass on purpose, to the detriment of the investigation, then he's right where he should be right now.

Somehow, while it is possible, I cant see someone who got to that position (which means intelligence) not understanding there was no there there!  Why Lie when there was no crime?  What was to hide?

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Reply #6 November 1, 2005 4:22:00 PM
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Perjury is also used when the statute of limitations runs out on a crime, like how they got Alger Hiss.

They used Income tax for Al Capone!

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Reply #7 November 1, 2005 4:38:01 PM
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singrdave, it was just musing. Me, in my own words, giving a summary of Fitzgerald's investigation results, as if from his perspective.

Guy, the only reason I can think of is that Libby had a lot on his mind, didn't clearly recall exactly what had happened, and chose to give evasive answers rather than run the risk of giving wrong answers. That is, he made a mistake. Smartitude he's undoubtedly got, but that doesn't mean he can't choke under pressure.
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Reply #8 November 1, 2005 4:51:32 PM
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Smartitude he's undoubtedly got, but that doesn't mean he can't choke under pressure.

If that is true, then best he did choke here and not on something important!

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Reply #9 November 1, 2005 4:51:45 PM
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Smartitude he's undoubtedly got, but that doesn't mean he can't choke under pressure.

If that is true, then best he did choke here and not on something important!

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Reply #10 November 1, 2005 6:42:36 PM
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My initial reaction is to whine about wasting taxpayer money on this 2 year investigation that turned up basically nothing... but then I have to think to myself... if it were Clinton being investigated, I'd say it's a matter of character and demand they get to the bottom of it. Pretty hypocritical, eh?
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Reply #11 November 1, 2005 7:42:41 PM
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Exactly, HC. You're a big hypocrite.

Do you have a point?
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Reply #12 November 3, 2005 1:46:45 AM
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In a nutshell? I'd say....

Close, but No Cigar! ;~D
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Reply #13 November 3, 2005 8:08:58 AM
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Close, but No Cigar! ;~D

*Groan*

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