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The UN is trying to get us AGAIN!

February 2, 2005 3:29:40 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
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Reply #1 February 2, 2005 3:49:03 PM
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It's the huge, multi-national corporation loved by people who claim to hate huge, multi-national corporations!!! ;~D
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Reply #2 February 2, 2005 4:19:56 PM
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The U.N. has outlived its time.. period>>. If america and japan withdrew their money "dues" from the U>N> it would cave,,, thats a total of over 40% of total funding of the united moronnations
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Reply #3 February 2, 2005 4:33:31 PM
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Is this article a joke? "Communist controled UN"? Just that makes the rest of the article lose all credibility.

Funny thouhg how the perspective changes depending on who you talk to. There are others who criticise the UN for the opposite reason, claiming that the UN is "USA controled".

I guess that's the problem with the UN, when you're in the middle, people from the extreme end of both sides see you as being on the other side.
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Reply #4 February 2, 2005 4:44:24 PM
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Funny thouhg how the perspective changes depending on who you talk to. There are others who criticise the UN for the opposite reason, claiming that the UN is "USA controled".

I would like to see anyone claim this!  The only reason they have not trashed the US on a daily basis is the Veto in the Security council.

The UN is a farce!  They wiped away a problem,how?  They redefined it as a non-problem!

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Reply #5 February 2, 2005 4:46:49 PM
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There are others who criticise the UN for the opposite reason, claiming that the UN is "USA controled".


The UN is controlled by the U.S? Now that IS funny!!!

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Reply #6 February 2, 2005 4:55:39 PM
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Oh, it is claimed by other non-US journalists. It is claimed by some that the USA often threatens to withdraw humanitary aid to Third World countries who don't vote the same way as them, therefore mocking the "one country one vote" principle.

Mind you, I don't agree with that either, no more than I agree that it's "communist controled". The UN isn't for or against any specific country. But as I said before, when you sit at the extreme right, everything on your left is communist, and the same goes with the other way: if you sit on the extreme left, everything on your right is facist. But there is such a thing as the middle, and IMO it's a good place to be.
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Reply #7 February 2, 2005 5:05:29 PM
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Mind you, I don't agree with that either, no more than I agree that it's "communist controled". The UN isn't for or against any specific country. But as I said before, when you sit at the extreme right, everything on your left is communist, and the same goes with the other way: if you sit on the extreme left, everything on your right is facist. But there is such a thing as the middle, and IMO it's a good place to be.


No, The UN is the worst part of democracy.  The 75% of the nations that are the have nots have decided that it is easy to vote themselves largess from the US money trough.  And so they do, and then complain about the US because they are not 'poor like me'.  That is their complaint.

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Reply #8 February 2, 2005 6:09:14 PM
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Seriously, Dr Guy, it has been all over the news about the UN being controlled by the US in other countries (like Iran, for example).

It really depends on who side your on at the time. "Oh the UN allowed this because the US holds its money strings" or "Oh the UN beats up on the US because of France, Russia and other EU/Middle East nations".

I am not saying that the UN isn't flawed but it is suppossed to be a national stage and like most national stages it is mostly full of hot air.
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Reply #9 February 2, 2005 6:10:23 PM
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... this hot air, mind you sometimes is very important, even though it is what it is "hot air".... a release for people to complain to.
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Reply #10 February 2, 2005 6:14:35 PM
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OK, look at it another way, in a smaller local scale.
Bill Gates is the largest man in the USA, but yet, when he votes, his vote counts the same as the poorest guy in the country. Maybe Bill Gates says the same as you do: that the US democracy is a way 75% of the US population found to get his money (through income taxes). The UN is a democracy, one country = one vote. I though the US was the campion of democracy. Are you saying now that democracy is bad and that the more powerful people in your country should get more votes than the less powerful?
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Reply #11 February 2, 2005 6:58:40 PM
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Reply #10 By: paxx - 2/2/2005 6:14:35 PM
OK, look at it another way, in a smaller local scale.
Bill Gates is the largest man in the USA, but yet, when he votes, his vote counts the same as the poorest guy in the country. Maybe Bill Gates says the same as you do: that the US democracy is a way 75% of the US population found to get his money (through income taxes). The UN is a democracy, one country = one vote. I though the US was the campion of democracy. Are you saying now that democracy is bad and that the more powerful people in your country should get more votes than the less powerful?


No, we're saying the UN is bad (Oil for Food scam, etc...). And where do they get off thinking they can tax US citizens?
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Reply #12 February 2, 2005 7:08:14 PM
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Seriously, Dr Guy, it has been all over the news about the UN being controlled by the US in other countries (like Iran, for example).

It really depends on who side your on at the time. "Oh the UN allowed this because the US holds its money strings" or "Oh the UN beats up on the US because of France, Russia and other EU/Middle East nations".

I am not saying that the UN isn't flawed but it is suppossed to be a national stage and like most national stages it is mostly full of hot air.

Seriously Joe. it may be.  But that works 2 ways.  We get trashed, and they wash down their contempt in champaign bought with our money as they complain about us.  And we do what?  Nothing  At least in the UN.

SO Fine, you are right and I am wrong.  Time to say good bye to the UN.  it is not serving us or them.  SO the best thing to do is to go our seperate ways.  Thne they can trash us annd we cant control them.

Jerks.

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Reply #13 February 2, 2005 7:10:17 PM
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OK, look at it another way, in a smaller local scale.
Bill Gates is the largest man in the USA, but yet, when he votes, his vote counts the same as the poorest guy in the country. Maybe Bill Gates says the same as you do: that the US democracy is a way 75% of the US population found to get his money (through income taxes). The UN is a democracy, one country = one vote. I though the US was the campion of democracy. Are you saying now that democracy is bad and that the more powerful people in your country should get more votes than the less powerful?

Representative democracy!  Togo does not count as much as China.  And in the end, the Constitution is supreme.  See you Later UN. When you get democracy in your countries as well.

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Reply #14 February 2, 2005 7:20:32 PM
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No, we're saying the UN is bad (Oil for Food scam, etc...).


Exactly! While I've never really liked the UN as it stands, I always thought that it was a good organization because it gives diplomats a forum for hashing out international issues. Unfortunately they now turn their backs on the very issues they claim to be there to work out.

N. Korea threatens to develope nukes, the UN turns the the U.S. and says, "ok what are you going to do about that problem?" But wait a minute, wasn't the Korean War Ceasefire an UN thing? Wasn't the non proliferation treaty a UN thing? Hmmmm

And the whole blasted institution can crash and burn now with the exposure of the "oil for food" joke!! That bilge bowel blowhard "Kofi Annan" called for patience, restraint and "containment", all the while him and his partners in grime from France and other countries are pocketing Saddam's blood money.

May they all rot!! Every breath they take is robbing the world of perfectly good oxygen. Every time they exhale, their filth destroys the environment. You wonder why there's a hole in the ozone?? Because the Useless UN is in session, spewing their noxious fumes with every vile word they let ooze from their festering pie holes.

Other than that, I have no opinion either way. ;~D
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Reply #15 February 2, 2005 7:25:14 PM
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The UN is a democracy, one country = one vote


The UN is a democracy? Who the fuck elected the UN?
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Reply #16 February 2, 2005 7:40:13 PM
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The UN is a democracy? Who the fuck elected the UN?


Bonus, Since when is One country=One vote A democracy? One person = one vote, and that still sucks.

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Reply #17 February 2, 2005 7:44:41 PM
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Bonus, Since when is One country=One vote A democracy? One person = one vote, and that still sucks.


Well then you are in favor of putting communist china in control... so I see where the article was coming from... the right WANTS it to be communist controlled, because 1 person should equal one vote in the UN. I see.
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Reply #18 February 2, 2005 7:56:06 PM
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And where do they get off thinking they can tax US citizens?


Hum... I guess you didn't understand my analogy... I was comparing two democracies: the UN and the USA, then comparing the most power country in the UN (the USA) to the most powerful person in the USA (Bill Gates). As much as the US contributes finacially to the UN, Bill Gates contributes financially to the USA through his income taxes. Your complain about the fact that poor countries get easy money from the USA, the same could be said by Bill Gates since his money is easy money for the poor Americans.


SO the best thing to do is to go our seperate ways.


Problem is, can't do it. Every sovereign country in the World has representatives in the UN (with the past exceptions of Japan and Germany because of WW2). It would be like a US citizen saying he doesn't want to be part of the USA anymore although he still lives there. I guess the US could decide to stop paying contributions to the UN and stop voting at the security council. Not sure how this would help anything though. Decisions would still be made but without them.


Besides all this is pretty much of a cry baby reaction. "If the votes don't turn out the way I want it, I'm not playing anymore, so there!"

See you Later UN. When you get democracy in your countries as well.


That shows how much you know about the UN. The UN have always encouraged democracy. There are many UN programs trying to promote democracy everywhere. But the thing is, as I said before, every sovereign country in the world has the right to be represented in the UN. Just like in the US, everybody can vote, no matter what their political opinion is or how they manage their household. Heck, in the US, even prisoners (including murderers) have the right to vote. Should some American big shot decide one day that he should "part ways" with the US until the country forces every family in the country have the same political opinion?


The UN is not a country, it's a ground for every country on the planet to engage in a dialog and try to solve issues together. It may not be perfect sometimes, but claiming the UN is against the US is getting things a bit wrong. Some countries may be against the US, and those countries each have a voice in the UN. Instead of whining about the UN, maybe this US governement should try to ask themselves why they are so disliked. Maybe it should try to see how it can work WITH the other countries instead of against them.
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Reply #19 February 2, 2005 8:02:33 PM
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The UN is a democracy? Who the fuck elected the UN?


Huh? And who elected the USA? Since when does one "votes" a country or an organisation into existance??? Maybe in some rare cases where they got their independance through a referendum, but very few did. The USA didn't. BUt the US is still a democracy because, in a democratic institution, its MEMBERS get to vote on a 1 member = 1 vote basis. As such, UN IS a democracy.
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Reply #20 February 2, 2005 8:10:11 PM
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Well then you are in favor of putting communist china in control... so I see where the article was coming from... the right WANTS it to be communist controlled, because 1 person should equal one vote in the UN. I see.


Excuse me,


One person = one vote, and that still sucks.


Are you on drugs?

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Reply #21 February 2, 2005 8:15:35 PM
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Huh? And who elected the USA? Since when does one "votes" a country or an organisation into existance??? Maybe in some rare cases where they got their independance through a referendum, but very few did. The USA didn't. BUt the US is still a democracy because, in a democratic institution, its MEMBERS get to vote on a 1 member = 1 vote basis. As such, UN IS a democracy.


The citizens of the US.  not some communist dictator! Take your UN and shove it!

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Reply #22 February 2, 2005 8:31:50 PM
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The citizens of the US elected the USA? That's news to me. I thought the US was founded following a revolution. Wasn't aware the citizens were given a choice, even back then.
What the citizens of the US do, every four years, is elect a president and you also elect the people who are going to represent you at the senate. In the same way, the members of the UN (that includes the USA) elect its Secretary General. Now who a country chooses to represent it at the UN is up to each country I guess, in your case I believe the delegates are appointed by the President.


The citizens of the US. not some communist dictator! Take your UN and shove it!


You're just trolling now, aren't you? Throwing your line hoping a fish such as me would bite... OK, I'll bite.

What communist dictator exactly are you talking about? I'm sorry but you make no sense... As far as taking "my UN" and shoving it, it's as much your UN as mine, and you can shove it if you want, but I happen to think the UN isn't perfect but is far better than the alternative which would be on single country ruling the world.
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Reply #23 February 2, 2005 10:47:39 PM
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Reply #18 By: paxx - 2/2/2005 7:56:06 PM
And where do they get off thinking they can tax US citizens?


Hum... I guess you didn't understand my analogy


I guess you didn't understand mine. Go back and re read the original post. This about those buttheads thinking they can tax the US citizens.
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Reply #24 February 2, 2005 10:49:21 PM
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Reply #22 By: paxx - 2/2/2005 8:31:50 PM
The citizens of the US elected the USA? That's news to me. I thought the US was founded following a revolution. Wasn't aware the citizens were given a choice, even back then.
What the citizens of the US do, every four years, is elect a president and you also elect the people who are going to represent you at the senate. In the same way, the members of the UN (that includes the USA) elect its Secretary General. Now who a country chooses to represent it at the UN is up to each country I guess, in your case I believe the delegates are appointed by the President.


The citizens of the US. not some communist dictator! Take your UN and shove it!


You're just trolling now, aren't you? Throwing your line hoping a fish such as me would bite... OK, I'll bite.

What communist dictator exactly are you talking about? I'm sorry but you make no sense... As far as taking "my UN" and shoving it, it's as much your UN as mine


Wrong. It ain't his and it sure as spit ain't mine! If you so desire it can be *yours*.
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Reply #25 February 2, 2005 11:09:14 PM
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Huh? And who elected the USA? Since when does one "votes" a country or an organisation into existance??? Maybe in some rare cases where they got their independance through a referendum, but very few did. The USA didn't. BUt the US is still a democracy because, in a democratic institution, its MEMBERS get to vote on a 1 member = 1 vote basis. As such, UN IS a democracy.


Which representatives in the UN are elected to govern? I've yet to see Ambassador to the UN on any ballot I've punched. And it sure as hell doesn't pop up on any ballot in any other country.
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