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January 21, 2005 4:46:45 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
ABC shows its insenitivity on this. Just *why* does America need to see flag drapped coffins arriving at Dover?


ABC Contrasts Inaugural with Funeral
for Marine Killed in Iraq

The day after the ABC News Web site posted a request for information about military funerals on Inauguration Day for any soldier killed in Iraq, during live Inauguration coverage on Thursday Peter Jennings used the protester prop of flag-draped coffins as a cue to highlight how "some people" see the decision to bar the media from showing coffins arriving at Dover is meant to "isolate the American public from the tragedy of war." Later, on World News Tonight, Jennings contrasted the Inaugural festivities with how "in Rockport, Texas today, just about the time the President was speaking, there was a funeral for a young Marine reservist: 21-year-old Matthew Holloway was killed in Iraq last week by a roadside bomb."

Blogger John Hinderaker, on his Powerline blog, gave publicity to how ABCNews.com posted this request Wednesday:
"For a possible Inauguration Day story on ABC News, we are trying to find out if there any military funerals for Iraq war casualties scheduled for Thursday, Jan. 20. If you know of a funeral and whether the family might be willing to talk to ABC News, please fill out the form below."

For the Powerline posting: powerlineblog.com

ABCNews.com quickly pulled the posting, but another blogger, Edward Morrissey, posted a rough approximation of the original page: www.captainsquartersblog.com

Peter Jennings' priorities on Thursday certainly confirmed the agenda behind the posting.

A bit past 2pm EST, Jennings noted how he "caught a glimpse there on the monitor of what looked to be a collection of coffins laid out somewhere with the American flag on them." Jennings, as tracked down on the DVR by the MRC's Jessica Barnes, used that as a cue to denounce Bush administration policy on returning bodies:
"So there is part of the demonstration today. I know this brings up a very sensitive subject for many, many Americans, and that is the decision by the Bush administration not to let the press see men or women who've been killed in Iraq returning home to Dover, Delaware. The pictures of the coffins are simply not available to be seen by the public, and some people who are opposed to the war -- even if they're not opposed to the war -- make the point that this absence of coffins, this inability for the American public to see coffins, is to somehow isolate the American public from the tragedy of war."

On Thursday's World News Tonight, Jennings, over video of a flag-draped casket in a church, a picture of the killed Marine, a flag being folded over the casket and scenes of grieving funeral attendees, pointed out:
"In Rockport, Texas today, just about the time the President was speaking, there was a funeral for a young Marine reservist: 21-year-old Matthew Holloway was killed in Iraq last week by a roadside bomb. His brother told a local paper that as much as Matthew wanted to be home, he was very proud of what he was doing in Iraq. And it is something you hear from so many people in the services, including the ten thousand who have already been wounded."




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Reply #1 January 21, 2005 5:35:21 PM
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To me this argument is just pathetic. Sure, we don't see flagged draped coffins at Dover, but there are a half a million "tribute" websites that don't stop at flag draped coffins, but give names (and often photos) of each and every Service Member killed in Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operations.

The argument seems to assume that if we actually seeing the flag draped coffins would somehow more "personalize" the deaths of the 1000+ Americans who have been killed. Well, how is a flag draped coffin any more personal than the service member's name, age, hometown, photo, and often, how the person was killed?

The government has not only done nothing to keep the public from viewing these sites, in many cases the site itself is run by the government.

If the goal of those who want flag draped coffins is to personalize the deaths of these people, the government is failing miserably. I think the arguments have much more to do with a press that resents being denied an opportunity to propagandize the coffins than anything else.
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Reply #2 January 21, 2005 6:52:04 PM
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Let the soldiers rest in peace. They have done their job.
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Reply #3 January 21, 2005 7:18:28 PM
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Let the soldiers rest in peace. They have done their job.


Amen
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Reply #4 January 21, 2005 8:59:53 PM
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The author of this article has not been cited and you provide no link. That breaks copyright laws and is stealing. Are you just making this stuff up?
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Reply #5 January 22, 2005 8:37:27 AM
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The author of this article has not been cited and you provide no link. That breaks copyright laws and is stealing. Are you just making this stuff up?
hardly. It is well known that ABC wanted to do a hatchet job on the Inauguration. Like CBS, they are a pathetic excuse for journalism, just another mouthpiece of the Mikey moore left.
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Reply #6 January 22, 2005 2:45:44 PM
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Reply #4 By: Anon (Anonymous) - 1/21/2005 8:59:53 PM
The author of this article has not been cited and you provide no link. That breaks copyright laws and is stealing. Are you just making this stuff up?


Maybe you should go back and reread the post. And this time see if you can comprehend what your reading.
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Reply #7 January 22, 2005 3:49:15 PM
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Maybe you should go back and reread the post. And this time see if you can comprehend what your reading

Doubtful. 

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Reply #8 January 23, 2005 3:34:00 AM
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Maybe you should go back and reread the post. And this time see if you can comprehend what your reading.


So this is an article from ABC News? Isn't that a TV station? And it seems a little self-referential. Do you mind providing a link to the article you quote? The lack of *emphasis* suggests you didn't write it. The author should be cited if only for legal reasons or out of politeness.

As for coffins, there's a good reason for showing them. It's called capitalism. People want to see them, whether to attack the war effort or to support it, so the TV stations are going to show them. It's that simple. Supply and demand in action.
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Reply #9 January 23, 2005 12:51:28 PM
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Reply #8 By: cactoblasta - 1/23/2005 3:34:00 AM
Maybe you should go back and reread the post. And this time see if you can comprehend what your reading.


So this is an article from ABC News? Isn't that a TV station? And it seems a little self-referential. Do you mind providing a link to the article you quote? The lack of *emphasis* suggests you didn't write it. The author should be cited if only for legal reasons or out of politeness.

As for coffins, there's a good reason for showing them. It's called capitalism. People want to see them, whether to attack the war effort or to support it, so the TV stations are going to show them. It's that simple. Supply and demand in action.



Look in the middle of the post and try again.
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Reply #10 January 23, 2005 12:51:47 PM
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To paraphrase Groucho Marx:

"I find television very educational. Every time someone turns on the set, I go in the other room and read a book."
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Reply #11 January 23, 2005 12:54:55 PM
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As for coffins, there's a good reason for showing them. It's called capitalism. People want to see them, whether to attack the war effort or to support it, so the TV stations are going to show them. It's that simple. Supply and demand in action.


No they WON'T show them! As of right now they are not allowed to because the pictures are not made available. Which is what ABC is trying to change. BTW how would *you* know what the american viewing public wants?
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Reply #12 January 23, 2005 11:16:50 PM
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Look in the middle of the post and try again.


Ah, okay. So you wrote most of it, and then used quotes from blogs to back it up. Okay. The mass quotation block threw me off there. I assumed that these sources were used by the original author; you could have simply said that you wrote it rather than being so rude about it.

No they WON'T show them! As of right now they are not allowed to because the pictures are not made available. Which is what ABC is trying to change. BTW how would *you* know what the american viewing public want?


I don't know what the American viewing public wants. But the marketing experts at ABC might. After all not all the shows they air fail miserably. So if they want to show the coffins then either people will tune in and see them or they won't. In doing so that'll lead to either the coffin shots being pulled or kept on the air depending on their popularity. It may be obscene, but that's the modern world for you.
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Reply #13 January 24, 2005 1:03:20 AM
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Reply #12 By: cactoblasta - 1/23/2005 11:17:53 PM
Look in the middle of the post and try again.


Ah, okay. So you wrote most of it, and then used quotes from blogs to back it up. Okay. The mass quotation block threw me off there. I assumed that these sources were used by the original author; you could have simply said that you wrote it rather than being so rude about it.

No they WON'T show them! As of right now they are not allowed to because the pictures are not made available. Which is what ABC is trying to change. BTW how would *you* know what the american viewing public want?


I don't know what the American viewing public wants. But the marketing experts at ABC might. After all not all the shows they air fail miserably. So if they want to show the coffins then either people will tune in and see them or they won't. In doing so that'll lead to either the coffin shots being pulled or kept on the air depending on their popularity. It may be obscene, but that's the modern world for you.


In the mean time you missed something. ABC ain't going to air SQUAT. For them to air anything the US government has to first release the photos. Which at this point they clearly are not going to. And since this is happening on a military base there won't be any leaked photos either.
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Reply #14 January 24, 2005 1:11:22 AM
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In the mean time you missed something. ABC ain't going to air SQUAT. For them to air anything the US government has to first release the photos. Which at this point they clearly are not going to. And since this is happening on a military base there won't be any leaked photos either.


What was the point of this question then -

Just *why* does America need to see flag drapped coffins arriving at Dover?


My answer would be "because the American public probably want to see it, and the ABC is willing to fight to show them it." But apparently the question has changed, so I give up.
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Reply #15 January 24, 2005 1:37:17 AM
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Ah, okay. So you wrote most of it, and then used quotes from blogs to back it up. Okay.


As far as I can tell, it comes from MediaResearch.org. http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050121.asp#1
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Reply #16 January 24, 2005 3:58:11 AM
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Reply #15 By: Gene Nash - 1/24/2005 1:37:17 AM
Ah, okay. So you wrote most of it, and then used quotes from blogs to back it up. Okay.


As far as I can tell, it comes from MediaResearch.org. http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050121.asp#1


Thank you Gene. I believe you are correct. For the life of me I could not remember where the post came from.
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Reply #17 January 26, 2005 10:13:56 AM
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I saw this apropos cartoon today:



http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/cartoons/01-26-2005.gif
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