pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

By on November 29, 2011 1:07:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906
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November 2, 2012 4:38:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

thus begins my 37 minute wait to log into pbe... huzzah

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November 2, 2012 5:24:37 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Irelia buffs and Varus nerfs?  Did I read the patch notes correctly?

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November 2, 2012 5:57:11 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

they are changing how skill shot detection works now. Without reducing some of the skill shot ranges all skill shots would have slightly increased range. 

 

Irelia buffs are weird though... maybe Irelia's ult does distance a different way. 

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November 2, 2012 6:02:21 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Here's that vid you requested swan - will be live in a few min.

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November 2, 2012 7:06:27 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

and one that mr jack will enjoy

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November 2, 2012 7:25:46 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That was pretty clearly all me.

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November 2, 2012 9:29:49 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

"My official challenge to everyone reading this thread.  Convince peter to create an AP rune page that is appropriate for most mages."

So I thought I had a good opportunity to do this when Pete mentioned that he was bored with Malzahar and wanted to branch out to other champs and positions but expressed disappointment that things don't go well when he does.  I tried to explain that maybe he had reached a level of Malz mastery that allowed him to do well with non-ideal runes, but those pages might be holding him back when he was trying new things.

The ensuing conversation was an interesting one. Apparently his AP/level rune page isn't a serious one but when I checked out his supposed main AP page, I tried to point out that it also wasn't an ideal rune page for most AP mids.  His response to that was that his AP/level page was awesome and overpowered. And things were different in low elo games and I didn't understand how things were in those games.  And that I shouldn't judge him by his elo (which I tried to explain I didn't even know before he told me) and some other things.

I honestly went about this as diplomatically, nicely, and with as much tact as I possibly could and thought we ended the conversation somewhat amicably but I've been defriended so maybe not?  So just keep this in mind if you guys have any ambitions of taking up the Peter Rune Challenge yourself.

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November 2, 2012 9:36:42 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

That's the reason he gives for ignoring any and all advice we give him . He tells us it doesn't work at his elo.

And Pacov, I will have you know that was my fifth penta-kill...you were even there for the Kat one 2 or 3 weeks ago.

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November 2, 2012 9:58:42 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting OMG_Shiro,
And Pacov, I will have you know that was my fifth penta-kill...you were even there for the Kat one 2 or 3 weeks ago.

it was your 1st - not changing the vid. 

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November 2, 2012 11:29:08 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

those were both truly sexy videos... thanks pacov! will be on tomorrow night!

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November 3, 2012 3:40:22 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

10 game ip boosts are not live.  Just got my 1st bonus.

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November 3, 2012 9:13:14 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
10 game ip boosts are not live.  Just got my 1st bonus.

Definitely NOT live.

Also I just realized I goofed my IE vs PD....If you buy a pickaxe then it inherintly increases the AD/g of IE and therefore IE will always be a better first item.

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November 3, 2012 6:12:01 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I added some picture in picture so you could more easily appreciate some of the excitement in this next vid.  You probably need to watch it a few times to appreciate it fully, though.  So many special moments in such a short amount of time. 

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November 3, 2012 6:53:07 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

going to be streaming from PBE playing as the new character in a few minutes.

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November 3, 2012 8:08:10 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I told you not to fight. If you had listened and avoided suiciding and eventually throwing the game I could have stomped grag is lane, hit 6, and THEN started roaming when I could actually pick up kills.

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November 4, 2012 1:40:37 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

oh shush - its more fun to count all of the bad plays that happen in 1 min.  So you baited grag into going bot and then stayed at mid during the fight.  Other stuff happens.  You've got a completely pointless flash out of swan, you've got me missing first blood because I couldn't get a point into my q fast enough (otherwise I had corki)... and then some other stuff. 

 

re: the new character - super, super love.  Has some pretty sick damage output and I believe will be pretty damn viable out of the gates. Best of all - I found him really fun to play. 

 

edit - picked up a new game called deadlight - could to stream that a little bit this after noon if anyone interested

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November 4, 2012 3:21:38 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I finished my first 10 ranked games 6-4.  That's pretty bad.  I should ask Krazikarl to teach me jungle.

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November 4, 2012 6:00:17 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

6-4 is better than 2-8...

 

I ended season 1 around 1250 after a losing streak starting ranked.  I went down to about 900 through sheer bad luck this season, much better player than my elo, but I main support and trolls are everywhere!  Add to that, 80% of the games since the season ended are afk's and griefers wiping out one team or the other.

 

6-4 is a damn good result, would be a good start to your next season.  What you don't want to do is lose more games than you win, and end up in elo hell, never to return.  You'll have to duo queue with someone good to get back out of it reliably.

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November 4, 2012 6:42:33 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Maybe I'm just pessimistic.

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November 4, 2012 7:24:21 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting Bryff,
I should ask Krazikarl to teach me jungle.

are you finding that no one wants to jungle when you play ranked?  Glad you are having good success with ranked games though.  6-4 isn't terrible - tis a 60% win rate.  Nothing to feel bad about.  I understand hating losing ranked games ofc. 

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November 5, 2012 5:58:05 AM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

blah sorry for my inactivity this weekend... got sick

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November 5, 2012 8:38:45 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Koskee,
blah sorry for my inactivity this weekend... got sick

Hope you are feeling better now at least.  Our little ranked team is doing pretty great so far.  5-1 I think now. 

So - we should be 1 day away from season 3's start if I'm remembering correctly.  Not sure if they will hit that date or not at this point, but I guess we'll see.  Lots of exciting stuff.  Really looking forward to seeing the jungle, the mastery changes, ranked 5v5's that now actually matter, etc.  And shen's dad as a character... anywho.  Maybe they'll actually hit their start date.  Oh, and fun games last night.  Thanks all.

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November 5, 2012 2:17:21 PM from PoliticalMachine Forums PoliticalMachine Forums

is there room on ranked team for swan?

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November 5, 2012 3:32:39 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting pacov,

Quoting Koskee, reply 1946blah sorry for my inactivity this weekend... got sick

Hope you are feeling better now at least.  Our little ranked team is doing pretty great so far.  5-1 I think now. 

So - we should be 1 day away from season 3's start if I'm remembering correctly.  Not sure if they will hit that date or not at this point, but I guess we'll see.  Lots of exciting stuff.  Really looking forward to seeing the jungle, the mastery changes, ranked 5v5's that now actually matter, etc.  And shen's dad as a character... anywho.  Maybe they'll actually hit their start date.  Oh, and fun games last night.  Thanks all.

 

Sorry about the bad start with the Golems. You were correct about that. I've never started before at the Golems. Normally straight to lane or defend against invasion, but I've just recently came back to LoL and I'm just working on support.

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November 5, 2012 3:49:18 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Koskee,
is there room on ranked team for swan?

I think so.

Quoting Vryllyn,
Sorry about the bad start with the Golems. You were correct about that. I've never started before at the Golems. Normally straight to lane or defend against invasion, but I've just recently came back to LoL and I'm just working on support.

No worries at all. 

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