Vice President Cheneys daughter is a lesbian

How could have anyone missed that fact?

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Vice President Cheneys daughter is a lesbian

Well if they enrolled her in my 'special class' this would be an outright lie.

Seriously everybody should have known this tidbit of info several months or years ago!!

At least all the way back to the RNC when DICK CHENEY (Her Dad) SAID IT RIGHT ON TV.

Still think they should enroll her in my 'special class'.

- Grim X

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Personally, as a Kerry supporter (I'll preface this with that statement) I though Kerry's bringing up Cheney's lesbian daughter was wrong, stupid, iditotic, whatever. You don't support homosexual rights by pointing at your opponents homosexual releatives.

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And I sure she's just loving all this wonderful attention she's got from the press.........right.........

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And I sure she's just loving all this wonderful attention she's got from the press.........right.........

Are you kidding she has probably had an easier time of getting tail from both sexes with it.

- Grim X

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Grim Xiozan, Myrrander

You are both right about this being old news and I agree that it is really stupid to keep bringing it up. With all the other important issues to discuss why waste time rehashing who's gay?

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First it was John Edwards making sure America knew that Dick Cheney had a lesbian daughter.

Then, last night, for those of you who had NO IDEA that Dick Cheney had a lesbian daughter, John Kerry reiterated that fact.

Public service announcement, or the cheesiest politic low blow in the history of Presidential and Vice-Presidential debates?

Well, according to post-debate comments from Kerry's campaign manager, Cheney's daughter's sexuality is "fair game".

So I don't want to hear from you leftie sheep that Kerry was NOT using cheap political tricks.

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d3adzOmbie:

Cheney's daughter's sexual preference first came up in 2000 in the first election campaign. It wasn't the Democrats who brought it up here. It was the dispute over the DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and Constitutional Amendment. Lynn Cheney spoke about it when she said that the states and not the federal governmnent should decide. She was asked because Dick Cheney said he "supported the President" on a Constitutional Amendment. Then, when the wife came out and said she was against the Amendment he backpedalled saying that he was not in favor personally of the Amendment but would support it anyway. I think this is known as:

FLIP FLOPPING!

I think it was an attempt by Kerry to point that out again.

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Okay, here's what Andrew Sullivan thought about this. Sullivan is a Republican, he's gay, he supported Bush in 2000 and supported the war in Iraq:

I keep getting emails asserting that Kerry's mentioning of Mary Cheney is somehow offensive or gratuitous or a "low blow". Huh? Mary Cheney is out of the closet and a member, with her partner, of the vice-president's family. That's a public fact. No one's privacy is being invaded by mentioning this. When Kerry cites Bush's wife or daughters, no one says it's a "low blow." The double standards are entirely a function of people's lingering prejudice against gay people. And by mentioning it, Kerry showed something important. This issue is not an abstract one. It's a concrete, human and real one. It affects many families, and Bush has decided to use this cynically as a divisive weapon in an election campaign. He deserves to be held to account for this - and how much more effective than showing a real person whose relationship and dignity he has attacked and minimized? Does this makes Bush's base uncomfortable? Well, good. It's about time they were made uncomfortable in their acquiescence to discrimination. Does it make Bush uncomfortable? Even better. His decision to bar gay couples from having any protections for their relationships in the constitution is not just a direct attack on the family member of the vice-president. It's an attack on all families with gay members - and on the family as an institution. That's a central issue in this campaign, a key indictment of Bush's record and more than relevant to any debate. For four years, this president has tried to make gay people invisible, to avoid any mention of us, to pretend we don't exist. Well, we do. Right in front of him.

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Knowing is half the battle.

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Public service announcement, or the cheesiest politic low blow in the history of Presidential and Vice-Presidential debates?

Umm, I'm gonna for for cheap low blow. I honestly think that comment could cost Kerry dearly.....

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Dick Cheney said he "supported the President" on a Constitutional Amendment. Then, when the wife came out and said she was against the Amendment he backpedalled saying that he was not in favor personally of the Amendment but would support it anyway. I think this is known as:

FLIP FLOPPING!

No, it is known as not putting personal opinion in the way of professional opinion. He has said many times that he supports the President. Just as Kerry stated that his Catholic beliefs do not affect his political Pro-choice stance, Cheney's lesbian daughter does not affect his political stance on gay marriage. I'm personally Pro-Life, but I support Pro-Choice for the general community. Does that make me a flip-flopper?

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Stepping outside debates about whether it was wrong for Kerry to bring it up. I will say that I doubt it'll be much of an issue. People only care about these things when they fit some previous concern regarding the candidate. Swing voters are concerned that Kerry is wishy washy and boring, but no one -- including Bush -- has been claiming Kerry's insensitive. My prediction: this won't get any traction and it's a mistake if the Bush campaign focuses on this instead of focusing on their standard attacks against Kerry.

For the record, I also said the Bush people were making a tactical mistake to focus on Kerry's "global test" comment -- because I predicted it wouldn't gain any traction for the same reasons -- and I think the polls have validated my take on this.

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Did Kerry also bring up Bush's daughters in the first debate?

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Reply #8 By: CrispE - 10/14/2004 10:51:37 AM
d3adzOmbie:

Cheney's daughter's sexual preference first came up in 2000 in the first election campaign. It wasn't the Democrats who brought it up here. It was the dispute over the DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and Constitutional Amendment. Lynn Cheney spoke about it when she said that the states and not the federal governmnent should decide. She was asked because Dick Cheney said he "supported the President" on a Constitutional Amendment. Then, when the wife came out and said she was against the Amendment he backpedalled saying that he was not in favor personally of the Amendment but would support it anyway. I think this is known as:

FLIP FLOPPING!

I think it was an attempt by Kerry to point that out again.

Are you married? I think not, otherwise you would know exactly what the VP was doing.

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I am married, and CrispE has a good point.

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Reply #16 By: blogic - 10/14/2004 11:57:22 AM
I am married, and CrispE has a good point.

You don''t know as much as you would like people to believe. Having been married 3 times this last one has been for 10 years now has taught me one thing. NEVER argue with a woman, you WILL NOT win. And that is *exactly* what the VP was doing. Stopping an arguement *before* it got started.

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Karma Girl:

No and my wife and I have the same position. What is flip flopping is saying he supports the President fully and completely, then when his wife says she is not for the amendment, supports state's rights to choose their own laws, then he says he supports that position. Then he adds, of course, I also support the President. That is two faced and Politically Correct.

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drmiler:

I have been married for 31 years to the same woman, one daughter, currently 25, married 4 years, an Occupational Therapist. I have never smoked or done drugs, have about 2 beers a year and champagne on New Year's Eve. I sing in the Church Praise Band and do sermons in my Baptist Church once every 6 weeks.

My wife and I disagree on many things. Disagreeing is ok. I would never change my position because my wife held a contrary position and neither would she. There is a "greater understanding" that keeps good marriages strong. It is not "we must keep peace in the marriage even though we disagree." It is "we will love and respect one another for caring enough to think for one's self."

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One thing about the debate I liked was the question of how it was being married to a strong woman. I liked that question because it really shows that
behind every sucessful man is a strong woman.

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This is what the southern idiots look at though. They hate gays just like Bush and if/when they hear that his VP has a gay daughter they start to rethink their vote. It also points out that the Bush/Cheney team are hypocritical in their suppression of gay rights. If your son or daughter were gay wouldn't you like them to marry some day or at least have the right to visit their partner when they're in the hospital?

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landen81: I demand an apology or you will be blocked from ever commenting on my blog again. Here's why:
I was born and raised in Texas. I live 20minutes north of Houston, Texas. I am, in every sense of the word, 'Southern'.
I also have strong judeo-christian beliefs, have been married for almost 9 years and could be considered the average Southern white male demographic.

Growing up, Ive had many male friends that were gay or straight, it never mattered to me, as we respected each others right to live free. My wife and I currently have a VERY good friend who is gay and HIV positive. He talks to us about the hardships of being HIV positive, the strains it places on his relationships and his family, and we also talk about a great many other things from politics (he supports Bush, BTW) to art and history and movies... anything you could think of. See, his being gay is far down on our list of his traits; he's a smart guy, hes very talented artistically, he is funny and fun to be around...his sexuality and his disease is so far down on our list of what makes him "him" to us it only matters in that it a topic that effects him personally.

It is ignorant for anyone to say southerners want to supress gay rights. There is bias ALL OVER THE WORLD against race, religion, sexuality and political beliefs. As a follower of Christs teachings I do not criticize our friend for being gay... nobody lives a perfect life, and I will not tear down someone else for anything they do in their own personal life. I would fight for his rights as a human being to have the same benefits in all areas of his life that I have. I am no better or no less than he is, we are both human beings, each unique, both free in these United States.

And one last thing - our friend says he doesn't want gay marriage. He figures if 50% of straight people cant get marriage right, why the hell should gays even want it?.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29862-2004Aug24.html?nav=rss_politics

This article explains that whole thing a bit more in detail. For the last 4 years Cheney has said that he personally thinks that gay marriage rights should be left up to the State. However, when State judges seemed to be making their own law around gay marriage, that is when he supported Bush when he started trying to protect marriage on a Federal level. Just because Cheney doesn't personal believe something doesn't mean he can't support something that is generally felt to be good for the nation. If more politicians put the general population ahead of themselves as Cheney has been able to do, then our country would be a lot better off.

Do you call this flip-flopping by Kerry?:
1994: "The right thing to do is to treat abortions as exactly what they are--a medical procedure that any doctor is free to provide and any pregnant woman free to obtain."

2004: " I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe that life does start at conception."

OCtober 2004: "I believe that choice (on abortion) is a woman's choice"

Can somebody not personally have an different opinion than what they uphold professionally?

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To d3adz0mbie, I am very sorry and I did not mean to overgeneralize everyone in the south as being an idiot. However, from my own personal experience, many of the Southern Baptists I've met still refer to African Americans as niggers and are vastly homophobic. When asked why they hate them, they respond "Well that's the way the good Lord intended."

I also have many gay friends some of which say they wouldn't even want to marry if they could. However they felt personally attacked by Bush's push to make gay marriage illegal.

But still, the harsh labeling will continue. Bush will continue to call Kerry a Flip-Flopper w/a Trial Lawyer for a VP and Cheney will continue to be linked to Halliburton with a lesbian daughter.

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Reply #19 By: CrispE - 10/14/2004 12:32:34 PM
drmiler:

I have been married for 31 years to the same woman, one daughter, currently 25, married 4 years, an Occupational Therapist. I have never smoked or done drugs, have about 2 beers a year and champagne on New Year's Eve. I sing in the Church Praise Band and do sermons in my Baptist Church once every 6 weeks.

My wife and I disagree on many things. Disagreeing is ok. I would never change my position because my wife held a contrary position and neither would she. There is a "greater understanding" that keeps good marriages strong. It is not "we must keep peace in the marriage even though we disagree." It is "we will love and respect one another for caring enough to think for one's self."

You obviously missed my entire point which was "don't *argue* with a woman, you WON't win" If you think that this is complete BS, try getting in an arguement with your wife and see just who comes out on top. Or better yet ask some of the other married guys on this forum what they think about it. You just may have been the *lucky* one. BTW I said argue NOT disagree! There *is* a difference. One last question just *what* does drinking or smoking or doing drugs have to do with what were talking about?

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