Video Games & The Clueless Media

This time it's Fox news being idiots....

It's a time-honored tradition, handed down from generation to generation.  Our parents had to deal with this, as did our grandparents, and great-grandparents.  The specifics change, but it's the same story time and again...

What do I mean by media?  Well, how about tv, movies, radio, comic books, books, video games, board games, music, plays? The list could go on and on.  There's always something that folks want to point their finger at and blame for all the ills of society.

These days, it's video games.

The worst part of it is how people who oppose new media the most vocally are usually those who have never actually experienced whatever they're protesting.  Take for example the following video clip from Fox News discussing the Xbox 360 game Mass Effect.  It's an RPG (role playing game) where you take on the role of a military commander to try and stop some really dudes from ruining the galaxy.

There are a couple of problems with the assertions made by the anchor and the expert:

  1. You can play as either a male or a female character.
    As the male, you have relationship possibilities with a female crew member, and an alien crew member.  As a female, you have the possibility with a male crew member and that same alien crew member.
  2. There is no graphic sex in the video game.
    As Geoff correctly states in the clip, there is nothing more than a shot of a bare butt, and a very brief glimpse of the side of a breast.
  3. You can not control the sex scene, dictating what happens.
    If you choose to have sex at a certain point in the game, a brief and highly obscured scripted sequence takes place automatically.  You basically hit the "go" button and the scene which is less than 2 minutes goes without any option of control for the player.
  4. It is not a forced choice in the game
    In the 30-40 hours of gameplay, you actually never have to make that choice.  If you don't do a certain conversation path through most of the game, it won't even be an option.  It's possible that you'd never even know it was in the game.

The problems with the news clip just pile up, one on top of another.  You have the anchor woman, and the expert, Cooper Lawrence.  Two people who have never played the game being discussed, and who appear to generally be ignorant of video games in general.  Opposing them is one Geoff Keighley, someone who's been around games journalism for many years now.  He knows his stuff, he plays these games.

When Geoff points out that these claimed extreme sex acts are complete fabrications, both the anchor and the expert blow him off and ignore him.  When Geoff asks Cooper if she's actually played the game, she laughs at him and responds that she hasn't in an incredibly condescending tone.  She then quotes a study that says young boys can not distinguish between video game violence and real violence.  A point that's actually secondary and unrelated to the core issue of the news bit: explicit sex in Mass Effect.

Geoff, just as he's starting to refute their claims one by one is hushed and brushed off the air for a brief session with a panel.  Now, no one on this panel is identified, and there's nothing to show they have any credibility when commenting on video games.  In fact, two of the panelists show they actually have no clue about video games period.

One talks about some game he got for his 6 year old daughter, how he doesn't even know how to get out of the first room.  Another asks wistfully what happened to PacMan, Pinball and Atari.  No one on the panel appears to have even played a game in well over 20 years.

The overall message of the clip: Mass Effect = Sex Game.  Games like this dangerous to kids.  Conclusion unclear.

I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish aside from spreading falsehoods about the game, and ignore the one person on the segment who had actually played the game at all.

It seems like a hobby for alarmists to target video games as the great evil.  You have Jack Thompson blaming video games for most of the youth violence in the last decade or so, ignoring that there's no actual clear tie between someone playing a violent video game and them shooting their classmate.  Or that in some cases the shooters never actually played a video game period (VA Tech shooter).  These facts rarely move the fanatics though.

I wish that media outlets would for once actually try and educate their viewers, rather than shock or scare them with "facts" that sound good and support an opinion they want to push.

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What are you talking about Zoomba?  I had to clear the road of Covenant forces on my way to class today!  Then I decided to pop down into the sewers and kill Goombas to get the money that pops out of their ass when they die!  I don't know what world you're living in, but it's just not safe to go out without your Frost Bastard Sword with +5 strength bonus.

~Zoo

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Zoomba, you just took the words right out of my mouth. It seems like no-one wants to hear a rational opinion of this subject, which is why these "experts" don't get anything accoplished except whipping up hysteria.

BTW, Jack Thompsan once compared the president of the ESA to OSAMA BIN LADEN. I'm not kidding.
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"She then quotes a study that says young boys can not distinguish between video game violence and real violence." And another thing: did the afromentioned "Study" mmention any demographics? What about the age of the players? The length of time these games were played, and most importantly, what games were played?

I would like to see this study myself, because if it does not mention the varibles listed above it is unreliable.

Simple as that.
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I would like to see this study myself,

So would I...I just searched the electronic database for my university's library as well as the JSTOR website...I can't even get a hit when I put in "violence in video games."  Does this study even exist?

~Zoo

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I am offended by the stupidity of my fellow humans
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I tried to listen to it, I really did, and then I heard the girl laugh as she said, "No" when answering the question, "Have you ever played the game?" ... you know, the one you were called on to talk about. The one the newswoman simply researched on the internet, and that the one guy HAS played. He tells you your facts are wrong, and instead of saying, "Oh, what's it really like?" you say... anything else. I couldn't watch anymore.
Reply #7 Top
BlueDev has played it through once, and is eager to play it through again. He says it may be the best RPG he's ever played. Something tells me they're blowing this completely out of proportion (and that something is my brother . . . ;)
Reply #9 Top
I tried to listen to it, I really did, and then I heard the girl laugh as she said, "No" when answering the question, "Have you ever played the game?" ... you know, the one you were called on to talk about. The one the newswoman simply researched on the internet, and that the one guy HAS played. He tells you your facts are wrong, and instead of saying, "Oh, what's it really like?" you say... anything else. I couldn't watch anymore.
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*psh* Come on, man. You don't actually have to do research to form a good, hearty conclusion. I mean, why waste your time actually investigating something that you're going to report on?

~Zoo
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Simply another reason I try NOT to watch the "news". If it isn't something like this, then it's just some other negative aspect, like the crime rate, or how someone's grandmother was robbed at knifepoint this morning...
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Wow.. that was.. really, really retarded. They completely ignored Geoff when he told them plainly that there's actually no sex, that you can be a man or a woman, or that it simulates a relationship, not a sex-scene. They completely avoided the basis of his argument, and NONE of them had ANY idea about the game.

ARE there "bad" games out there? Yes. There is. If I had a kid, I probably wouldn't want him playing GTA or Postal. Is Mass Effect such a game? No, it's not. And I really think a kid would be unable to appreciate Mass Effect to it's full extent.

Not that I've played Mass Effect myself. It's a lousy X-box Microsoft Sellout game, but yeah. I think you get my point.
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What are you talking about Zoomba? I had to clear the road of Covenant forces on my way to class today! Then I decided to pop down into the sewers and kill Goombas to get the money that pops out of their ass when they die! I don't know what world you're living in, but it's just not safe to go out without your Frost Bastard Sword with +5 strength bonus.


. If my life was like PuzzleQuest, I'd be rich. And Bad Ass.

It irritated me when they ended up with, "It really comes down to the parents" which would normally be a good position, but it's tacked on at the end of their clueless diatribe as an afterthought. "Oh, it's so hard to be a parent these days." "The first thing that the boy is going to do when he gets home is play his dad's video games." Because there are no such things as locks, passwords, etc? Heck, you could take all the powercords for the game consules and computers with you to work. I wish the media would just get over this whole obsession with the video games == bad thing.
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In related news:

http://blog.shacknews.com/blogarticle.x/50921

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gamers-Strike-Back-Cooper-Lawrence-Punched-Hard-After-Mass-Effect-Comments-77117.shtml
Reply #14 Top
I've played this game. Most of the time, it's a lot of shooting and fighting alien hordes. The mentioned "lesbian sex scene" with an alien doesn't happen unless the player pursues that line of play and even so, there's nothing to see other than bare backs, shadowy movements and character facial hints.

I did play romance with the main character (male) with one of his female crew members. When they did it, all you saw was the lady's bare behind and nothing else. In less than half minute, all is over. I seriously wonder what the big deal is.

This... is Extreme?!

You can get more exciting and stimulating scenes watching just about any drama show on TV these days.
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I saw that video somewhere else the other day. They must be doing it for the ratings, or someone is trying to pull some political strings or something.

I am offended by the stupidity of my fellow humans
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You're offended? I'm ready to culture flip.

It irritated me when they ended up with, "It really comes down to the parents" which would normally be a good position, but it's tacked on at the end of their clueless diatribe as an afterthought. "Oh, it's so hard to be a parent these days."...
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What better way to make a point of view better than to discredit and devaluate a more reasonable one? People like to have a single simple reason for a single problem, a set of problems, or all of the world's problems. They tend not to care for a complex reality that actually says that these problems are caused by these factors, but fixing them might cause these problems...

I can give multiple reasons for increased violence:
-Inadequeate school resources.
-Incompentent government.
-Revoling doors in the justice system.
-Violence in media.
-Larger populations leads to more violence, because there are more people around to be violent.
Reply #16 Top
"She then quotes a study that says young boys can not distinguish between video game violence and real violence." And another thing: did the afromentioned "Study" mmention any demographics? What about the age of the players? The length of time these games were played, and most importantly, what games were played?

I would like to see this study myself, because if it does not mention the varibles listed above it is unreliable.

Simple as that.
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Here's an article on the study.

And here's a blog post on the broadcast that links to the article and describes the study a bit more.

Not surprisingly, she's misrepresenting the study: The study says that people who play video games minimize the effects that the stereotyping in the game may have on them, it does not say that those who play video games can't distinguish between fantasy and reality when it comes to experiences they haven't had.

And that EA letter that CariElf linked said it all - the sex scenes (you can have two through the whole game) are not any more explicit than anything you'd see on television. They're not a required part of the game, and it takes hours of play to get to them.

I wish I could say that this lack of journalism standards disappoints me, but it's what I expect from Fox.

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You can get more exciting and stimulating scenes watching just about any drama show on TV these days.


Um, no kidding. I've seen more graphic body images on the Discovery Channel...and even those old PBS documentaries. Please...if THAT's going to be offensive to people, then all media should be hidden from kids. Forever. We should just keep them in their little caves until they reach adulthood and see how "normal" and mentally stable they end up. Wow.
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Amusing observation: Conservative people seem to be inclined that parents should have ultimate responsibility for their children's education, particularly religious, and yet when 'smut' is released in the media, they seem to prefer government regulation rather than parental responsibility.
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That's because many conservatives aren't exactly conservatives, but...er...self-appointed morality police. They wear conservative clothing, but their approach to social reform is actually pretty radical and coercive (and not exactly healthy for society).