i heard this on a news report on fox news. looks like i may have mis heard.

Only if the ruling elite choose to be responsible. They are perfectly able to choose neglect or abuse as well.

You have missed the distinction between Leadership and Overlordship. Leaders make the Led want to do something on their own without coercion. Overlords make Slaves do what they "know to be right" through Force, Legislation, and Intimidation.


Devices or people performing actions because they are forced are always Slaves and never the Led.



Slaves must be provided for yes. Do you think this proves that the slaves are willing participants?

Just because an overlord performs a set of action which end up followed by desired action from his Slaves doesn't mean that they did it willingly or that it is right simply because the end justified the means.

Yes, to make a Slave do the things you "know are right" you have to put calories down it's throat, motviate it to work (through punishment), and continue to direct it towards your "known" goals. This doesn't make the Slaves into Selfless beings in any way.

Your logic in this regard is utterly fallacious. I am not saying that to be a dick. Action following enorcement/coercement does not equal selflessness at all. It just equals obedience to the folks who beleive that they "know" what the Slaves should do and who have been wiling to take the necessary minimum action to force them to "do the right thing".



Yes, easily. I further legislate my will upon the Slave through corrective action. I punish it by replacing it (killing it and buyign another Slave) or fixing it (beating it until pain makes it do my will). this is rule by legislation. I "know" what is right and I force the Slave to accept it.

You are equating a dead or sick machine to an unhappy human. A dead or sick route would be equivalent to a dead or sick slave. Yes, said dead or sick slave has "resisted" in a limited and meaningless sense.

There is a world of difference between allowing choice versus dealing with the results of a physical malfunction.

The router can get sick or die but it cannot choose to do so or choose to stop working efficiently over philosophical differences or because it is not motivated. It is a Slave.

Any work stoppage or resistance by volition from slaves is punished by death, pain, or other legislated action. This is where you have missed the boat in this part of your response to the analogy.



Yes, utterly. I allow it no will whatsoever. I legislate it's every action.



Actually they still do work. This fact is the genesis of my current position. You can quite easily force systems to work against their function, intent, or even self preservation. If this wasn't the case then Network security simply would never have become a concern.



*My apologies for the long post. If you prefer I can write a response post and edit this down to a link.

My 'call for revolution' was a hypothetical exercise, a 'Friday Five' which asked what it would take, what sort of conditions would have to evolve in order for my fellow citizens to be so motivated.

This is very clear in your article of course. I believe it reflects the feelings of all "frustrated" Americans that something needs to be done to get this country back on track.

My dad was an aerospace engineer for McDonnell Douglas

In short, he drives me NUTS.

You see. It looks absurd to other people and drive them "nuts". But it is the only way to get things "right" from the first time, avoid disasters and major mess-ups. but most of us cant stop doing that when we get home.

My kids keep saying: "dad, this is not engineering". That stops me .... a little. Before we start any project at home, i describe what we have to do and tell the one who is with me in that project what things to watch out for because of safety reasons or for critical-work reasons. but they still think it is just the engineer's absurd way of doing things. I say you could hurt or kill yourself if you dont do that. They say " we know dad.... we know". And I cant count how many times they got in trouble because of that "we know dad .... we know". But as usual, they will never know ..

btw, hope everything goes your way soon.

Leaders make the Led want to do something on their own without coercion.

This is very true and it is what we lack nowadays. Leaders who can start revolutionazing people "one voter at a time".

Only if the ruling elite choose to be responsible. They are perfectly able to choose neglect or abuse as well.

Of course, i was talking technically. That is why they all failed at the end because the abuse and neglect. but they were still responsible for their subjects. they didnt carry that responsibilty. no foreigner will ever care about other people as if they were his own. that is the reason the era of Empires are gone forever. But, amazing as it is, some people still think the USA can be one.

It is a different world now, but some think we can still do it.

I always thought that was San Marino, but the point is still valid.