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Let's Throw ALL the Bums Out

On an Island .... In the Pacific

October 8, 2007 2:44:10 AM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums
It is necessary to define the term "Bums" in what follows in order to know what I am talking about.

"Bums" are the people who are Intentionally make themselves a burden on our society. Examples are professional homeless people, druggies who spend all their earnings on drugs or alcohols, cheaters, people who cant keep a job because of laziness or misbehavior at work, single-unemployed-baby-producing men and women, .... and the likes. You get the picture.

These people are causing inappropriately large, compared to their numbers in the society, amount of deviation in our thinking when it comes to what are the appropriate policies which serve our society best. Whether it is welfare, healthcare, minimum wage, social security, or any other social program that is intended to make our society fair and provide a level playing field for all; these Bums provide the opponents of such policies with a perfect excuse. It is a perfect excuse because it is true. and it drains the programs from valuable resources and they make it difficult, very difficult, for legitimate beneficiaries to actually get help from these programs.

I don’t know how many "Bums" we have in the USA. However, i don’t think their number exceeds that of the people who are incarcerated in our prisons which is around 2%. That is about 6 million people. (i recently read that somewhere, so don’t ask for a link and if the number is wrong i don’t believe it would be much greater). I don’t believe our society is producing more Bums than criminals (is it? that would be terrible )

Ok now assuming we have 6 million Bums.(if it is more, please adjust the accommodations to fit the actual number ... ok?)

Since these people are causing havoc to any discussion about social policies let's take all of them and put them on an Island, big enough to accommodate their number and about 50% more for their reproduction or future mates from the 50 states. That would be around 10 million current and future bums. Why in the Pacific? i dont know, may be to keep them away from me

If we allocate about $ 10 K for each Bum we currently need about $60 Billion to start this project. The US Gov to provide the Island itself. I am sure the guys in the navy can find one somewhere in the pacific with good land and water supply. The Navy can do everything, don’t worry they will find one.

We will transfer all the Bums free of charge, the Navy can do that too. and tell each Bum, this is a one way ticket to your promised land. We have $ 10K account for you. The Nave will give you a Tent, a sleeping bag, and one month supply of food. and you can withdraw $1 K from your account upon arrival. any further withdrawals are subject to the legitimacy of the purpose. Once you withdraw all of your $10K we are done with you. no more. you are on your own.

The US Gov will transfer one hundred of each type of Bums and order them to form an administrative authority to administer the Island. This should happen within one month of the arrival of those Pioneer-Bums. After that, the Gov will just continue the transfer with no administrative duties. Just land them and go to get the next shipment.

Each year the Gov. will take application from Bums who would like to be back in the Bum-free society of ours. each applicant to provide proof of how they are no longer Bums and how would they fit back in the Bum-free society.

That is it folks. Proposals for providing this Island and its Bums with better chances for success will be greatly appreciated.

Now can we start talking about programs which make our society better and more productive assuming we have no Bums among us?
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Reply #1 October 8, 2007 7:15:36 AM
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So it's like a fancy concentration camp?

~Zoo
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Reply #2 October 8, 2007 8:44:12 AM
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Well, when your program is announced, I plan to immediately quit my job so that I can be lumped in with the bums and shipped over with the Pioneer-bums. I will use a couple hundred for my first grand to order parts to set up a still, and by the time regular shipments of bums move in, I will have mass quantities of alcohol for them to spend their money on. At the end of five years, I intend to run the island completely.
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Reply #3 October 8, 2007 8:55:17 AM
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Better buy a few cows instead, babies like milk! (ooh, or maybe start a sugar plantation, they like candy, too.)


oh, yeah, I'll get started on my capitalist ventures on baby island soon enough!
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Reply #4 October 8, 2007 9:16:32 AM
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Hey man, Bums are people too.

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Reply #5 October 8, 2007 9:56:39 AM
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Hey man, Bums are people too.


And that is why Gid is capitalizing.
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Reply #6 October 8, 2007 12:55:08 PM
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The problem with bums: You get rid of them and more come along.
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Reply #7 October 8, 2007 2:50:17 PM
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And here we have wasted trillions of dollars when your solution will do it for mere billions!
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Reply #8 October 8, 2007 2:58:47 PM
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The first thing to occur on bum-island was an election.

No-one ran.

No-one voted.

Everyone complained.
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Reply #9 October 9, 2007 3:02:10 AM
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I'll get started on my capitalist ventures on baby island soon enough!


All you guys who have investment ideas on Bum-Island are out of your minds. You are stuck with the rest of us here to see how we can solve our problems in this Bum-Free society.

The first thing to occur on bum-island was an election.No-one ran.No-one voted.Everyone complained.


That is their problem. They can run it as they wish. None of our business.

Are you guys going to follow them there? leave them alone. it is their island .... no non-bums are allowed for any reason .... ok?

My goodness, i was away during the day and when i logged on I found two surprising things:

First, the article was featured .... . I always believed that one of these days i will come up with a popular idea . Second, LW is taking the idea one step further ...... in the wrong direction. LW, Stop clowning around. Babies are not the problem, their Bum-parents are.
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Reply #10 October 9, 2007 3:16:19 AM
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Hey man, Bums are people too


Of course they are. They just are special type. They dont like our rules, they dont participate in what we do and they dont like things we do and they like things we dont like. Let them have their own world.
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Reply #11 October 9, 2007 3:17:35 AM
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All you guys who have investment ideas on Bum-Island are out of your minds. You are stuck with the rest of us here to see how we can solve our problems in this Bum-Free society.


not me. Heck, I work continually preserving the legacy of "The Great Historical Bum", so I'm practically an honorary bum by association! I'll be over there with the bums on bum island. Remember, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king!

As for things "back on the mainland". I'll be helping plenty, TA. I'll be needing plenty of materials to make my fine alky-hol, and I'll be needin' to depend on yer economy to do it. While I build "the Big Rock Candy Mountain" over on bum island, it will be off of all the fruits of y'all's labor!
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Reply #12 October 9, 2007 3:19:14 AM
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So it's like a fancy concentration camp


Nooooo. We dont control them, they can go anywhere in the world if they want to. This project is providing them with what they will never dream of now.
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Reply #13 October 9, 2007 3:23:23 AM
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The problem with bums: You get rid of them and more come along.


of course, but the annual number for the new ones will be very small, so it will cost us may be a billion annually. That is a very effecient way to clean up the society. You have to pay up for cleaning, dont you?

You want Bum-free society for free???? this is not a utopian world you know? even cleaning has a price.
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Reply #14 October 9, 2007 3:34:35 AM
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I'll be over there with the bums on bum island.


no you are not. If you have any trading and business idea, you can do it from here. get one of the bums there to be your partner there. but you and your business are here.

Dont ruin their world. leave them alone. They can order your products if they wish.

Unless you become full-fledged certified bum you stay here.
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Reply #15 October 9, 2007 9:59:06 AM
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As soon as a bum there becomes a partner, he's no longer a bum, is he? If they make a working society, they're not bums, are they?
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Reply #16 October 9, 2007 11:36:12 PM
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If they make a working society, they're not bums, are they?


yes they can and they can apply to re-enter the Bum-free society.

This article was intended as "for-argument-sake" type hypothesis but look what happned, from the first few comments no less:

All of a sudden the people who always said that those Bums are hopeless, good-for-nothing and lazy now they actually believe that these same Bums are not that at all, and these same people are willing to take risks on them and invest in them and actually believe that they can get them to work and produce money for them. not for the bums of course.

That is a great unintended consequence of this article.

The hard-nose conservatives actually believe that the bums are a messed-up-resource that can be reformed and used productively to make money. even if the bums get very little and most of that money goes to the Bum-Capitalists, still it is better for the bums. at least they make something and they get something.

The only restriction is that no capital goes there, get the bums to start their own things there like distributors, sales,...etc. no capital of people go from here to there. Let them swim on sink by themselves.
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Reply #17 October 23, 2007 4:58:30 PM
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Awwww, you're gonna hurt the BUMS' feelings unless you give them the feelgood liberal term, "homeless".
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Reply #18 October 23, 2007 5:18:06 PM
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Reply #19 October 23, 2007 11:12:00 PM
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you're gonna hurt the BUMS' feelings unless you give them the feelgood liberal term, "homeless


The "Bum" title is not enough?

well, they can have "homeless" too and practice it as much as they like. no problem. I dont want to hurt their feelings at all. let them just go away.
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Reply #20 November 28, 2007 1:18:27 PM
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Well, considering that bums are more likely to have children (especially single, unemployed mothers who live on welfare and child support from several different men), they probably are reproducing at a rate higher than criminals. Unfortunately, most of these children learn well from their parents and go on to be bigger and better bums.

What should we do with the new bums that are produced after the project has been completed? We have to remember here that people become bums for reasons. Some have good reasons, such as the junkie who constantly chases a high so she can forget about the abuse from her childhood or the homeless man who lost his job and then house because he has schizophrenia and couldn't afford the medication to keep him from having hallucinations. Chances are that these people either used to be better than bums or were raised by people who were not technically bums. Then there are people who have no-so-good reasons, like just deciding that they are too lazy to work for a living when they reach adulthood, no matter how hard their parents worked. The creation of the bum will be an ongoing problem.

And where do we draw the line between people who genuinely need help and people who are just hopeless bums? I'm guessing that the homeless bum described above would have a much easier time turning his situation around if medication and psychotherapy was provided along with employment opportunities. The junkie would most likely become a productive member of society if she got the right combination of drug rehabilitation programs and professional counseling and personal support. The lazy person, well, that may just be hopeless...
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Reply #21 November 28, 2007 11:27:11 PM
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The junkie would most likely become a productive member of society if she got the right combination of drug rehabilitation programs and professional counseling and personal support. The lazy person, well, that may just be hopeless...


I think we addressed that:

1- Bums who became that way for good reasons can use the funds provided to fix themselves and reapply for re-entry into the society. Lazy bums, .... will cotinue to have fun as they are.

2- We will have nothing to do with them once they land there. no wellfare or anything other the funds described.

so you see, it is a well-thought out project.   
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