Clinton: And the reason I haven't sent out a plan and said, ‘Well here's exactly what I think we should do,’ is because during this campaign I want the ideas that people have. I want to hear from you who have different perspectives about what you think will work.

and do ya think she's gonna roll it out almost 2 years out just to have the punditry spin it backwards and sideways and distort it and do everything else they like to do? at least credit the woman for not being that dumb, regardless of which side you are on. this posturing is nonsense. fact is that she simply doesn't have to cater to the right wing pundits. they and their flock aren't voting for her anyway, lol

and as far as reply #22 goes, i'm sorry, i'm not gonna fall for that tangent of talking about he entire history of every government spending allocation for over 2 centuries. and broad charts on annual spending won't accurately reflect individual spending measures and their impact on efficiency and productivity. but if it's an example you need, here...my wife lived thru this and can tell you 1st hand about having less of a budget and getting more done as was proposed...
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now if dog would send me a link for his quotes above of senator clinton, we get back to the subject, ok? lol

did you notice the link?

ok...how bout the epa's "FCA" program?
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Clinton: I've been fighting to get electronic medical records for every American. The reason is I think it will save us money, time. It will avoid duplication. An independent study says we'll save $100 billion if we did this. So, I hate to put more money into our national health care system until we get the cost down and we have a better system to take care of you.

are ya arguing with the above proposal? anytime you can consoladate and standardize anything it saves cost and time.

Don't you guys get it yet? Only Bush has hand picked audiences.

We all know anyone from the left has diverse people from all walks of life with many differing opinions and are allowed to ask any questions they want to, it was just happenstance that no one questioned Hitlery at her "interview" and the hosts were so enchanted with her in depth opinions and propositions that they felt no questions from them were needed, Hitlery had it all covered.

Heil Hitlery!

Personally, I don't know why we're even sweating this. Do you honestly think that America "wants" 4/8 years of "more" Clinton? I doubt it. This will only happen "IF" she gets into office.

ummm,,,guess ya missed this,,,

19. Has FCA been effective in addressing privatization questions?
Yes. When Greensboro, North Carolina, implemented its recycling program, it was required to compete with the private sector. To do that, the city had to evaluate the program and decide whether the private sector could meet Greensboro's standards and costs. Now the city is running the service because it out-performed the private sector

Um, did they take it from the Private to the government? That says they did it themselves, and it was never private. I will even allow you to excise one instance of an entire industry (instead of an entire industry since I was not specific before). Greensboro wrote the rules and then bid against private companies with their rules - not with rules in place prior to the implementation of the program.

But go ahead. Let Hillary run health care like a municipal garbage collection agency. If she even can. They both will produce the same result - garbage.

actually miler, we agree here somewhat. i seriously question whether hillary will win the nomination, let alone the general election. it's hardly the "done deal" the clinton camp and theri supporters would like us to think.

i thought that might finally bring ya out of the shadows instead of having guy fight your battles for ya, lol....

and that is the same place i got quotes from, except in yours, you cut her off to change her meanings so it appears she said what you want her to say, not what she actually said and intended. a textbook "taken out of context" quote.

i apologize for the underhanded tactic of accusing you of fabricating the quotes. you didn't do that, and i apologize but i wanted to clear the air on that. i had asked for your reference several times. and in the end, the quotes were simply manipulated and cropped to change the meanings, not fabricated. again, i apologize for the accusation.

Nobody is fighting anything for me.  People are free to make their points here, so go on with that nonsense.




The quotes were from Hillary, she made clear statements of what she wants.  Regardless of the specific details she wants a national healthcare system, and that alone is a bad idea.

But anyways, I have serious doubts Hillary will get anywhere in her campaign, and if by the slim chance she would ever end up as President, HillaryCare II would fail just as the first attempt.



Yes and Yes. 

no , she doesn't necessarily. show me her plan that endorses "nationalized healthcare"

and the details were you cropping her statements to make it look like she was all for the single payer option.



lighten up francis (lol),,,notice the "lol" i was kiddin with ya...it's ok if ya missed it, as long as ya got that now.

and on your last point, you may want hillary and her advisors to be dumb enough to lay out a plan to be pissed on for 18 months, but i doubt she or they are. but we do agree that her road to at least being the nominee will be much rockier than any of her early polling would suggest.

talk about disputed. these claims have never been properly substiantiated in my view. and whether you want to dispute the 47 million by a few mil is moot to me. if it's 10 million, if it's 1 million,,,i would want to find a way to get them the care they deserve.

you seem to think that i am defending hillary's "plan" and that ain't so...

1) she hasn't laid out a plan. so i have no idea whether or not i support it.

2) her stated goal is to get as much input from all sides to form a consensus on the best way forward. our health care system sucks for how much we pay into it, and i agree with her there.

3) that doesn't mean that i, or she, are all for single payer, nationalized health care. i, like many, are looking for improvement. like i said, if you are happy with the situation in health care, that's your right as an american to feel that way and voice your opinion.

4) on the other hand, it is improper to try to create a postion she hasn't taken by taking quotes out of context and speculating the worst possible case scenarios and presenting them as if they were facts. that is shoddy and irresponsible writing in my view and it needed to be pointed out.