I am with Brad here...both games are very different and you can't compare them like that (Why would he like to work on it if they were so similar?)

I want MOO4 with at least MOO1 spying system (which is actually not very far from the one in the GalCiv2 expansions)and less micromanagement with fleets (in the sense that you control specific strategic locations like: solar systems or sectors)

First, is MoM = Master of Monsters? I had that for Sega Genesis, LOVED it, then got it for Playstation, HATED it. But I think Stardock could definitely give the dubest AI new life. I would look for ward to a new version.



i have never played or seen MoO. But having seen what Stardock can do, i don't see whyt the couldnt do a new version of it. May be hard to keep two great games compketely separate without having the slowly morph into the same game. MoO can have a lot of the things that don't belong in GC2 and vice versa. Having two games to develop could enable them to put things into MoO something that would be cool but that just wouldnt fit in GC2.

Oh and could you please redo the original starcontrol. just your basic hands on ship vs. ship combat. Spathi rule! gotta love that b.u.t.t. weapon.

oh and the Great and Powerful Yar likes Father Atari. lol

For all those players that keep asking for multi-player in GalCiv2, you must remember that GalCiv2 was designed as a single player turn based game. To properly add multi-player you would need to redo the interface to greatly reduce the micro-management; the result would be a different game.

If Atari would be reasonable, Stardock could do that in MOO 4. As Brad states, "I'd love to do a MOO 4. It would basically be MOO 2 with some elements from MOO 1 with a big graphics update, more streamlined multiplayer options (along the lines of Civ IV) and a campaign mode to reintroduce players to the mythos that Simtex created."

I can't for the life of me see why Atari is so hard nosed about the MOM franchise. They may be just as stinky about MOO though I suspect MOO3 was a financial bust.

I would love Stardock to do either and call it what you want.

Given the list Frogboy posted, I'd most like to see StarDock take on the XCOM franchise. GalCiv2 is a nice replacement for MOO such that them redoing MOO seems kinda less needed. There are simply not enough squad-based tactical TBS type games (UFO series by Altar is decent, and their SAS system is very cool). Silent Storm was decent (looked great, played ok, terrible, terrible AI). XCOM was such a great franchies that just died and it's tragic.

Maybe it's just me being nostalgic, but back in the day pretty much everything Microprose released was awesome (at least their more strategy/4X types of games). There have been games similar to MoM, MOO, Colonization, and XCOM, (and even Civ, although Civ carried on) but nothing that has really matched any of them. GalCiv2 is an awesome game and as I previously stated, is comprable with MOO, but for the others nothing has even come close.

I guess the PC gaming market for games like this isn't that huge - which boggles my mind since these are the types of games that to me got PC gaming rolling to begin with. These days all we seem to get is a nonstop flood of graphically bloated FPS and RTS with the same repetitive and boring gameplay. Or you get games that seem like they'le be sequels to blasts from the past but they turn out to be buggy as hell, incomplete, and run like crap.

How did it come to this?

Why did the great gaming franchises of the past die off like all the great Microprose games? Why are there no RPGs created in the style of BG/IWD/Fallout anymore? People all but worship those games and that style of gaming but it's rarely done anymore, or done so poorly that it's a disservice. Why can nobody pull off a truly good Diablo clone when the diablo game is actually fairly simple? Well, I can tell you one reason, it's because none of the pretenders do any map randomization and little content randomization and even though it's simple/basic in D/D2 - it makes all the difference in the world.

On one hand you want innovation in games so you can experience new things, but on the other hand you sometimes wonder why the most successful games aren't emulated a little bit more, at least in the delivery of fun factor.

You said that galciv2 is a better game than moo2 in EVERY way. I just showed you the 4 things which are clearly better in moo2 than in galciv2. You might not care for them, but you are still wrong.

Galactic Civilizations is absolutely a series worth keeping alive and focusing on, while sympathizing with MOO-Nuts I'd rather see Galciv II get it's deserved glory...

For example I think it would be absolutely cool if Stardock produced their own series featuring their own characters/races from Galactic Civilizations II Dread Lords + Dark Avatar and sold these episodes as downloadables into a folder and after the season would be complete; an option to order it on a disc in case some people don't already have burners.

I agree is the sentiment that it makes more sense to simply persue the Galactic Civilization series. My ideal 4X game would, infact, contain:

1) Most of the features of Space Empires
2) Strong macro-manangement options (which MoO3 attempted)so that the above features do not slow down game-play too much
3) Sins of a Solar Empire-like graphics with tactical combat (real time w/ pause)
4) A slick Galactic Civilization-like interface.
5) Reasorce and commoditiy trade (promised in SoSE).

Love.

Honestly, though, I'd rather see Galciv gain all the good features of Moo2 it lacked, or Moo4 gain all of Galciv's good features. Honestly, they're both 90 percent perfect, I think with some sleectiove editing, someone could make 110. (It should be impossible, but it isn't!!!)

I'd like to be able to assimilate other races into my multicultural empire. A race if scientists with a science bonus, farmers with farming bonuses, a caste of powerful alien soldiers, be like an evil Federation. Be able to capture and board enemy ships, and have total customization over my race being a cyborg, destroy planets or create asteroid belts, or turn them into new planets. All the neato stuff from MOO2. Only, maybe with Galciv's excellent AI, random events, anomalies, bases, and customizable ships.

I'd personally pay lots of money for this. Lots.

I remember playing MOO in college and installing the game from 4 FLOPPY DISKS. I played MOO2 until MOO3 came out and then I went back to MOO2. What a huge disappointment. I also loved XCom. This was one of those game that kept you thinking about the game long after you shut down your PC for the night. (or early morning in most cases) I would love to see a new XCom with a Stardock twist that they can only provide. Since I recently purchased GalCiv2 I have started to love 4x again. Please Stardock save me from the current generation Y instant gratification mind numbing games that are being released.

We don't need Moo4, we have GalCiv2. Now MoM thats another story. Nothing has come close in the million or so years since it was released.

#1 and #2 are counterintuative. Space empires offers too many options that are too broadly defined. It's a Micromanagement disaster! Plus the game has never been properly balanced :/ In order to make a good game you need limits. Moo2 had excellent limits. And it had a very simple production/upkeep system. Space Empires is a disaster in that avenue.

Not only do limits help player manage emprie more efficently, it makes a good AI easier to code.

#3 can be debated. True we haven't seen all the graphics yet, but thusfar they seem generic.

#4 NO! I don't want frikin sliders! Sliders = bad :/ Moving population units ala Moo2 = good. Rest of GalCiv2 interface is buggy and counterintuative. Especially where ships + fleets are concerned. And the upgrade ship window, information overload!

#5 is a great idea. Altough I'm not usre if we want somethign like Civ4 with trade goods. But any trade model that adds to teh game and makes a non-war or atleast a cautious-to-war path beneficial in that department would be great.

If someone would make a sequel to MoO3, Stardock is worthy of doing so.

I'd rather see a GalCiv 3 though with planetary destruction added, starbases that are in range being able to aid when a planet is attacked and so forth.