drmiler

Join Date 09/2004

Please stop feeding the troll!

Look I know it's fun to argue with the clueless one. Heck, I do it myself. But he's getting to big for his britches. Try this.....for every post you put on his blog, give him 3 trolling cookies. I do it every day regardless of whether I post or not.

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I was telling you guys this a long time ago. Now that he is creeping up the rankings you take notice. You should be more concerned with the fact that you are helping keep his message in people's faces and not where he is on the blog list.
Trolling is for trolling, not zinging people you don't like. Can you even troll your own blog? If he comes to your blog and you consider what he is doing trolling, fine, but jeez.
... I guess there is no C. This is just seems really petty, though.

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I was telling you guys this a long time ago. Now that he is creeping up the rankings you take notice. You should be more concerned with the fact that you are helping keep his message in people's faces and not where he is on the blog list.
Trolling is for trolling, not zinging people you don't like. Can you even troll your own blog? If he comes to your blog and you consider what he is doing trolling, fine, but jeez.
... I guess there is no C. This is just seems really petty, though.

Problem is that he doesn't have the courage to go on other peoples blogs. And just for my info...."you" don't consider the trash he spews as trolling?

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No, I don't consider what a person says on their own blogs trolling. I think that people can direct the course of a conversation anywhere they want it to go on their own blog.

I'll be honest with you Doc, you guys call him a lot of names, and on HIS blog. You've all said pretty vile things about him and I don't recall him deleting a single instance or blacklisting any of you. To me that counts for something. Granted, you are also serving to bump his blogs and keep them in view, but he's not twisting your arm to do it.

Just be honest, and go back and look at the Col's average blog and see how many times you guys call names and sleight him without commenting on the meat of the article. I think you'll find that in terms of trolling, the righties dealing with him have no room to talk.

I'm guilty of it as well from time to time, I admit it, and readily accept trolling points for when I am. You definately won't catch me trolling him for just giving back what is handed him.

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Just be honest, and go back and look at the Col's average blog and see how many times you guys call names and sleight him without commenting on the meat of the article. I think you'll find that in terms of trolling, the righties dealing with him have no room to talk.

There is a reason for this and I'm pretty sure you know what it is. Follow your own advise and look back over his blogs and see how many times he has either ignored facts posted or basically told the poster they were full of it. Or outright called the poster a liar.

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So? I don't see him behaving any differently than how people treat Rombios and others on their blogs, and to him you are no different than Rombios. You draw a distinction because you know he is wrong and you are right.

Behavior is behavior whethe you are right or wrong, and if we are going to treat people like Rombios like that on our blogs, we don't need to troll the Col for treating us that way on his. I don't have a problem with you boycotting him. Frankly I've been saying for a long time if people don't agree with him they shouldn't help him spread his message.

The trolling thing is a bit abusive, though. The whole points whoring thing is pretty sad, imho, and to me, no offense, but you aren't concerned with anything here other than his name rising up the JU rankings.

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Big difference!! You "ever" see rombios back up his BS with "any" facts, links, whatever? You know I do. When I state something I usually back it up with at least a link. Rombios "never" does.

The trolling thing is a bit abusive, though. The whole points whoring thing is pretty sad, imho, and to me, no offense, but you aren't concerned with anything here other than his name rising up the JU rankings.

This is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However I do not agree with even one scintilla of it.

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I save every single one of my trolling cookies for him.

I still wish that Brad (Draginol) and the folks at StarDock would send him a bill and tax his sorry butt for the complete and total waste of bandwidth his lame excuse for a site is. He loves the idea of taxation of the rich so much, tax his butt a penny per character on his blog or in the responses and nail him.

Actually, the better bet is just wait and see him busted for copyright infringement for blatantly copying and pasting whole articles in for his "proofs."

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"Actually, the better bet is just wait and see him busted for copyright infringement for blatantly copying and pasting whole articles in for his "proofs."

Like the whole article Drmiller just posted, adding only, what, a line, and no links back to the original article? The Col is not a troll. If you guys want to play points, fine, but it looks pretty sad to me.

"Big difference!! You "ever" see rombios back up his BS with "any" facts, links, whatever? You know I do. When I state something I usually back it up with at least a link. Rombios "never" does."

Nice diversion, but that wasn't my point and you know it. You know as well as I do that many posts are left on the Col's blogs that are nothing more than something like "YOU ARE A COWARD/TRAITOR/LIAR AND YOU ARE AND IDIOT AND YADDA YADDA", and they aren't any less trolling than what Rombios or others leave on ours. Anyone that leaves posts like that can't call him a troll without being a hypocrite.

Obviously you guys aren't using trolling points for trolling, you are just punishing your enemies with them. They ought to get rid of the system if they are going to be used that way. If he trolls your blogs, fine, but if you guys are going to play troll on his blogs you have no right to troll him.

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P.S. Feel free to troll me for that. I can fart out a nothing article in ten minutes and make up the points that you guys will take from me.

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Problem is that he doesn't have the courage to go on other peoples blogs. And just for my info...."you" don't consider the trash he spews as trolling?

Actually he does. With the same tired old stuff too.

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Obviously you guys aren't using trolling points for trolling, you are just punishing your enemies with them. They ought to get rid of the system if they are going to be used that way. If he trolls your blogs, fine, but if you guys are going to play troll on his blogs you have no right to troll him.

Something no one has mentioned, but needs to be. If you read his articles (click on them or whatever), you are giving him points. So doing a trolling is kind of self defeating on his own articles.

Sorry, you will find only one of his articles that I haev commented on in the last year. And that was to suit a fellow blogger.

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Just goes to show what you know. First off that "was" the entire article. Second "if" you had read it rather than just running off at the mouth you would have caught this.....

[This item was posted Tuesday night on the MRC's blog, NewsBusters.org: newsbusters.org ]

www.dailyprincetonian.com

www.princeton.edu

www.abcnews.go.com

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Just goes to show what you know. First off that "was" the entire article. Second "if" you had read it rather than just running off at the mouth you would have caught this.....

You should check out your friendly copyright laws in the US. As an Australian citizen I could get sued for blatantly violating copyright like that. 20%'s the max in Oz and even then it can't be a block quote.

As for the good colonel I don't know why you're bothering with this. You guys are the ones who get the most enjoyment out of his existence. Why bother trying to get rid of something that brings you such satisfaction? It doesn't seem very clever to me.

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Daiwa

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I propose that from now on, all replies to the Col's articles be posted here in the "Please stop feeding the troll!!" thread.

Man Law.

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Man Law.

Man Law.

(Great series of commercials, even if more than half that crowd is unrecognizable!).

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I propose that from now on, all replies to the Col's articles be posted here in the "Please stop feeding the troll!!" thread.

One point that BakerStreet is absolutely correct on - the articles need to be completely ignored. Not read, but completely ignored. Don't even both replying to the headlines, just ignore the lame attempts at spewing the same garbage. Without readers and debating partners, the C.O.L. is useless and his articles will cease.

It's that old "If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around...." The stink may still be out there, but who really cares?

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That's the real issue to me. If you don't like what he says, and you don't have anything to offer other than derision, then why post at all? That way you don't have to worry about trolling him to make up for the thousands of points you give him.

Frankly, I think he's doing Republicans a service at this point. Every second that is wasted on Bush is a second that Dems could have been prepping for 2008, or working over 2006 congressional candidates. I say, let him waste his time.

P.S. The Col isn't blacklisted from this, is he?

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*sigh*

I admit, I'm a col-aholic. It is just so hard to not click on his stuff.

I do agree with you baker, in some ways. I rarely try to "troll" him. If he is wrong, then he is wrong. Now, that does not mean that I have not had a time where I've just been rude. It happens, and for that, I am ashamed.

~L

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Thankfully this isn't oz. Copyright laws are different here. I also made sure to say where it came from.

[This item was posted Tuesday night on the MRC's blog, NewsBusters.org: www.newsbusters.org ]

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What I don't understand isn't trolling when someone is just rambling? We all want respect and find Col to be arogant and rude. But if someone on my block is that way I can't go and put up a sign on his property saying he sucks. Just ignore him. It's your frivilous arguments with him that go no where. Now you are concerned because of his ranking? I'm sorry but some of you should be ashamed. It's one thing if he came to your post and said such things but another when you go to his backyard. Think about it.

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"Copyright laws are different here. I also made sure to say where it came from."

Actually they aren't. You can't post whole articles in the US either without permission, but no one seems to bother much with it in terms of blogs and such. If you check copyright law you'll find that 'fair use' isn't copy and pasting the whole thing. You can quote it, but not copy it all verbatim.

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Actually "fair use" seems to read differently from what you think

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 1 > § 107

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

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No offense, Doc, but I've been doing this in terms of online art for years, ask anyone around the stardock community. The part you missed in what you just posted is:

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and "

In other words, whether or not it is fair use depends on how much of it you republish as compared to the whole. In other words the more you publish the less "fair" it's going to be considered. If reposting something in its entirety isn't copyright infringement, what is? And don't say selling it, because we both know that giving stuff away isn't any different in the eyes of the law.

"How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians."

Copyright is the right of an author to choose when, where, and how a work is reproduced. Yes, you can claim fair use and cite a work for the purpose of referring to it, but when you publish the whole work, you have stolen the author's right to say whether or not they want you to reproduce it.

You aren't an educator or a librarian, so I'm thinking you've not got the right to publish a whole work.

" As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner. "

If you want to cite something, fine, but reprinting it all is a violation of copyright. Do what you want, I don't care, but there's no reason to call something fair use when it isn't. According to you, you'd have the permission to reprint any work you want and call it fair use. If what you are doing isn't copyright infringement, what is?

If I recall, didn't JU have a policy against people posting entire articles, anyway?

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I wonder how Dr. Miller would feel if the Col had copy/pasted one of his blogs with a little extra line at the top. I'm thinking he'd have a different opinion of 'fair use' at that point...

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